[ale] OT: Disposal of standard fluorescent lamps?

Tue Mar 29 15:02:19 EDT 2011

Funny

A one time $35 credit for something that likely cost more than $35 originally doesn't sound like much of a deal to me.

They'll give you credits if you switch from gas to electric heat as well but it isn't because they expect you to save money in the long run.

It reminds me of the folks that liked to think W gave them something when he raided the treasury to give out a $300 tax rebate but then put in place energy policies (secretly) that allowed gas to get to near $4 gallon.   Not many of them could answer me when I asked them how much of the $300 they thought they'd kept after paying for outrageous gas.   Then they bring gas down to around $2.50 and people think "oh it came down" and ignore the fact it had been about ½ that 6 months earlier.   (Please don't say it was due to Katrina - the gas prices had already been rising dramatically before Katrina hit.)

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From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Greg Freemyer
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 2:03 PM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] OT: Disposal of standard fluorescent lamps?

Jeff,

You must be doing something wrong.  

They just paid me $35 not to use my garage refrigerator anymore.

 (I replaced it with a 10 year old fridge, so the theory must be that I will consume less and thus they need less power plant construction if they buy all the old, inefficient, refrigerators out there. 

Greg

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Lightner, Jeff <jlightner at water.com> wrote:

So the secret for getting 10 years is to leave them on all the time?
That seems like it might defeat the energy savings point of using CFLs.
:-)

I haven't seen 10 years on any yet (mainly because I've been buying them
for less than 5) but have seen some die.   They still have a longer life
than the average incandescent.

Ever notice that despite all the energy "savings" that have been forced
on us over the years our power bills continue to rise?   One of these
days they'll figure out how to have everything run itself via hyperspace
radiation they aren't providing, yet charge us $1000/month for the
privilege of not using their power plants.

-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Ron
Frazier
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:10 PM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] OT: Disposal of standard fluorescent lamps?

I think it depends on how the photo sensor switches the light on and
off. I had a motion sensor using a CFL for a while, and the bulb lasted
less than 1 year.

Sincerely,

Ron

On 03/29/2011 07:44 AM, Geoffrey Myers wrote:
> Ron Frazier wrote:
>
>> I went all CFL about a year ago in my house for all screw in bulbs.
Room
>> lights are circular FL, and a couple of rooms have 4 ft. tubes. I
think
>> the old 4 ft. tubes are not terribly efficient because of the old
>> ballast. Just haven't gotten around to replacing them. I removed the
two
>> or three dimmers that were in the house. It's somewhat frustrating
>> without them, but not too bad. In some fixtures, I left a couple of
>> sockets empty so everything wasn't so bright. Using the dimmer on the
>> CFL will destroy the electronics as far as I know. By the way, the
same
>> thing applies to using them with a photo sensor or motion detector,
>> unless they're specifically rated for CFL. Generally, to work
properly,
>> the photo sensor or motion detector would have to activate the lamp
with
>> a relay rather than a solid state switch as far as I know.
>>
> I've not heard about this issue with the photo sensor, but I've got an
> outside spot light set (two bulbs) controlled by a photo sensor and it
> works just fine with the two CFLs I've got in there.  I've got two
other
> spot light sets on my house that auto dim, so I can't use the CFLs
with
> those.
>
>
>> FYI, if you break one of these things, and follow the recommended
>> cleanup, it's pretty ugly, to the point of throwing away clothing
which
>> gets the phosphor on it. Google for CFL cleanup or something and look
>> for reputable sites. I had a link somewhere once, but don't know
where
>> it is now.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On 03/28/2011 03:53 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Jim Kinney<jim.kinney at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> This is good to know! I'm finding the "10 year life span" to be
totally crap
>>>> marketing and have a small collection of CFL's and few 4' tubes
that need a
>>>> funeral.
>>>>
>>>> BTW: CFL's are in general not designed for "base up" operation
unless
>>>> specified.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Nor do they work with a dimmer unless specified.  And even then,
they
>>> are not near as good with a dimmer as traditional incandescent
lights.
>>>
>>> fyi: the state of Georgia may pass a law that it is legal to
>>> manufacture and sell incandescent in GA as long as they don't cross
>>> the state line.  (ie. Fed Law only kicks in when products ship
between
>>> states.)
>>>
>>> I know the proposed law passed the state senate a few weeks ago.  I
>>> have been interested enough to follow it in the house.
>>>
>>> My mine desire is to be able to have incandescent lights in places I
>>> use a dimmer.  After all, dimmer's save electricity too unless you
>>> keep them at max. most of the time.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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mailing lists and such.  I don't always see new messages very quickly.)

Ron Frazier

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