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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Funny<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>A one time $35 credit for something that
likely cost more than $35 originally doesn’t sound like much of a deal to
me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>They’ll give you credits if you
switch from gas to electric heat as well but it isn’t because they expect
you to save money in the long run.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It reminds me of the folks that liked to
think W gave them something when he raided the treasury to give out a $300 tax
rebate but then put in place energy policies (secretly) that allowed gas to get
to near $4 gallon. Not many of them could answer me when I asked them how
much of the $300 they thought they’d kept after paying for outrageous
gas. Then they bring gas down to around $2.50 and people think “oh it
came down” and ignore the fact it had been about ½ that 6 months earlier.
(Please don’t say it was due to Katrina – the gas prices had
already been rising dramatically before Katrina hit.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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ale-bounces@ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Greg Freemyer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 29, 2011 2:03
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Atlanta
Linux Enthusiasts</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ale] OT: Disposal of
standard fluorescent lamps?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Jeff,<br>
<br>
You must be doing something wrong. <br>
<br>
They just paid me $35 not to use my garage refrigerator anymore.<br>
<br>
(I replaced it with a 10 year old fridge, so the theory must be that I
will consume less and thus they need less power plant construction if they buy
all the old, inefficient, refrigerators out there. <br>
<br>
Greg<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Lightner, Jeff <<a
href="mailto:jlightner@water.com">jlightner@water.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>So the secret for getting 10 years is to leave them on all the time?<br>
That seems like it might defeat the energy savings point of using CFLs.<br>
:-)<br>
<br>
I haven't seen 10 years on any yet (mainly because I've been buying them<br>
for less than 5) but have seen some die. They still have a longer life<br>
than the average incandescent.<br>
<br>
Ever notice that despite all the energy "savings" that have been
forced<br>
on us over the years our power bills continue to rise? One of these<br>
days they'll figure out how to have everything run itself via hyperspace<br>
radiation they aren't providing, yet charge us $1000/month for the<br>
privilege of not using their power plants.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org">ale-bounces@ale.org</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>] On Behalf Of Ron<br>
Frazier<br>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:10 PM<br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts</st1:PersonName><br>
Subject: Re: [ale] OT: Disposal of standard fluorescent lamps?<br>
<br>
I think it depends on how the photo sensor switches the light on and<br>
off. I had a motion sensor using a CFL for a while, and the bulb lasted<br>
less than 1 year.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Ron<br>
<br>
On 03/29/2011 07:44 AM, Geoffrey Myers wrote:<br>
> Ron Frazier wrote:<br>
><br>
>> I went all CFL about a year ago in my house for all screw in bulbs.<br>
Room<br>
>> lights are circular FL, and a couple of rooms have 4 ft. tubes. I<br>
think<br>
>> the old 4 ft. tubes are not terribly efficient because of the old<br>
>> ballast. Just haven't gotten around to replacing them. I removed the<br>
two<br>
>> or three dimmers that were in the house. It's somewhat frustrating<br>
>> without them, but not too bad. In some fixtures, I left a couple of<br>
>> sockets empty so everything wasn't so bright. Using the dimmer on the<br>
>> CFL will destroy the electronics as far as I know. By the way, the<br>
same<br>
>> thing applies to using them with a photo sensor or motion detector,<br>
>> unless they're specifically rated for CFL. Generally, to work<br>
properly,<br>
>> the photo sensor or motion detector would have to activate the lamp<br>
with<br>
>> a relay rather than a solid state switch as far as I know.<br>
>><br>
> I've not heard about this issue with the photo sensor, but I've got an<br>
> outside spot light set (two bulbs) controlled by a photo sensor and it<br>
> works just fine with the two CFLs I've got in there. I've got two<br>
other<br>
> spot light sets on my house that auto dim, so I can't use the CFLs<br>
with<br>
> those.<br>
><br>
><br>
>> FYI, if you break one of these things, and follow the recommended<br>
>> cleanup, it's pretty ugly, to the point of throwing away clothing<br>
which<br>
>> gets the phosphor on it. Google for CFL cleanup or something and look<br>
>> for reputable sites. I had a link somewhere once, but don't know<br>
where<br>
>> it is now.<br>
>><br>
>> Sincerely,<br>
>><br>
>> Ron<br>
>><br>
>> On 03/28/2011 03:53 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Jim Kinney<<a
href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> This is good to know! I'm finding the "10 year life
span" to be<br>
totally crap<br>
>>>> marketing and have a small collection of CFL's and few 4'
tubes<br>
that need a<br>
>>>> funeral.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> BTW: CFL's are in general not designed for "base up"
operation<br>
unless<br>
>>>> specified.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>> Nor do they work with a dimmer unless specified. And even
then,<br>
they<br>
>>> are not near as good with a dimmer as traditional incandescent<br>
lights.<br>
>>><br>
>>> fyi: the state of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Georgia</st1:place></st1:country-region>
may pass a law that it is legal to<br>
>>> manufacture and sell incandescent in GA as long as they don't
cross<br>
>>> the state line. (ie. Fed Law only kicks in when products
ship<br>
between<br>
>>> states.)<br>
>>><br>
>>> I know the proposed law passed the state senate a few weeks ago.
I<br>
>>> have been interested enough to follow it in the house.<br>
>>><br>
>>> My mine desire is to be able to have incandescent lights in places
I<br>
>>> use a dimmer. After all, dimmer's save electricity too
unless you<br>
>>> keep them at max. most of the time.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Greg<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
<br>
--<br>
<br>
(PS - If you email me and don't get a quick response, you might want to<br>
call on the phone. I get about 300 emails per day from alternate energy<br>
mailing lists and such. I don't always see new messages very quickly.)<br>
<br>
Ron Frazier<br>
<br>
<a href="tel:770-205-9422">770-205-9422</a> (O) Leave a message.<br>
linuxdude AT <a href="http://c3energy.com" target="_blank">c3energy.com</a><br>
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