[ale] OT: Disposal of standard fluorescent lamps?

Tue Mar 29 14:02:59 EDT 2011

Jeff,

You must be doing something wrong.

They just paid me $35 not to use my garage refrigerator anymore.

 (I replaced it with a 10 year old fridge, so the theory must be that I will
consume less and thus they need less power plant construction if they buy
all the old, inefficient, refrigerators out there.

Greg

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Lightner, Jeff <jlightner at water.com> wrote:

> So the secret for getting 10 years is to leave them on all the time?
> That seems like it might defeat the energy savings point of using CFLs.
> :-)
>
> I haven't seen 10 years on any yet (mainly because I've been buying them
> for less than 5) but have seen some die.   They still have a longer life
> than the average incandescent.
>
> Ever notice that despite all the energy "savings" that have been forced
> on us over the years our power bills continue to rise?   One of these
> days they'll figure out how to have everything run itself via hyperspace
> radiation they aren't providing, yet charge us $1000/month for the
> privilege of not using their power plants.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Ron
> Frazier
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:10 PM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [ale] OT: Disposal of standard fluorescent lamps?
>
> I think it depends on how the photo sensor switches the light on and
> off. I had a motion sensor using a CFL for a while, and the bulb lasted
> less than 1 year.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ron
>
> On 03/29/2011 07:44 AM, Geoffrey Myers wrote:
> > Ron Frazier wrote:
> >
> >> I went all CFL about a year ago in my house for all screw in bulbs.
> Room
> >> lights are circular FL, and a couple of rooms have 4 ft. tubes. I
> think
> >> the old 4 ft. tubes are not terribly efficient because of the old
> >> ballast. Just haven't gotten around to replacing them. I removed the
> two
> >> or three dimmers that were in the house. It's somewhat frustrating
> >> without them, but not too bad. In some fixtures, I left a couple of
> >> sockets empty so everything wasn't so bright. Using the dimmer on the
> >> CFL will destroy the electronics as far as I know. By the way, the
> same
> >> thing applies to using them with a photo sensor or motion detector,
> >> unless they're specifically rated for CFL. Generally, to work
> properly,
> >> the photo sensor or motion detector would have to activate the lamp
> with
> >> a relay rather than a solid state switch as far as I know.
> >>
> > I've not heard about this issue with the photo sensor, but I've got an
> > outside spot light set (two bulbs) controlled by a photo sensor and it
> > works just fine with the two CFLs I've got in there.  I've got two
> other
> > spot light sets on my house that auto dim, so I can't use the CFLs
> with
> > those.
> >
> >
> >> FYI, if you break one of these things, and follow the recommended
> >> cleanup, it's pretty ugly, to the point of throwing away clothing
> which
> >> gets the phosphor on it. Google for CFL cleanup or something and look
> >> for reputable sites. I had a link somewhere once, but don't know
> where
> >> it is now.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Ron
> >>
> >> On 03/28/2011 03:53 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Jim Kinney<jim.kinney at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> This is good to know! I'm finding the "10 year life span" to be
> totally crap
> >>>> marketing and have a small collection of CFL's and few 4' tubes
> that need a
> >>>> funeral.
> >>>>
> >>>> BTW: CFL's are in general not designed for "base up" operation
> unless
> >>>> specified.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Nor do they work with a dimmer unless specified.  And even then,
> they
> >>> are not near as good with a dimmer as traditional incandescent
> lights.
> >>>
> >>> fyi: the state of Georgia may pass a law that it is legal to
> >>> manufacture and sell incandescent in GA as long as they don't cross
> >>> the state line.  (ie. Fed Law only kicks in when products ship
> between
> >>> states.)
> >>>
> >>> I know the proposed law passed the state senate a few weeks ago.  I
> >>> have been interested enough to follow it in the house.
> >>>
> >>> My mine desire is to be able to have incandescent lights in places I
> >>> use a dimmer.  After all, dimmer's save electricity too unless you
> >>> keep them at max. most of the time.
> >>>
> >>> Greg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
>
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>
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