[ale] OT: Disposal of standard fluorescent lamps?

Tue Mar 29 16:04:14 EDT 2011

It was $35 for a refrigerator that barely cooled.  (The freezer worked fine).

So I got to dump (recycle?) what was almost useless to me, and they
gave me $35 to take it off my hands.

I was pretty happy with the deal.

And they likely were too because I replaced a 25 year old garage
fridge with a 10-year one.  The 10-year old one has to be less of a
energy hog.

Greg

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Lightner, Jeff <jlightner at water.com> wrote:
> Funny
>
>
>
> A one time $35 credit for something that likely cost more than $35
> originally doesn’t sound like much of a deal to me.
>
>
>
> They’ll give you credits if you switch from gas to electric heat as well but
> it isn’t because they expect you to save money in the long run.
>
>
>
> It reminds me of the folks that liked to think W gave them something when he
> raided the treasury to give out a $300 tax rebate but then put in place
> energy policies (secretly) that allowed gas to get to near $4 gallon.   Not
> many of them could answer me when I asked them how much of the $300 they
> thought they’d kept after paying for outrageous gas.   Then they bring gas
> down to around $2.50 and people think “oh it came down” and ignore the fact
> it had been about ½ that 6 months earlier.   (Please don’t say it was due to
> Katrina – the gas prices had already been rising dramatically before Katrina
> hit.)
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> ________________________________
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> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Greg
> Freemyer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 2:03 PM
>
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [ale] OT: Disposal of standard fluorescent lamps?
>
>
>
> Jeff,
>
> You must be doing something wrong.
>
> They just paid me $35 not to use my garage refrigerator anymore.
>
>  (I replaced it with a 10 year old fridge, so the theory must be that I will
> consume less and thus they need less power plant construction if they buy
> all the old, inefficient, refrigerators out there.
>
> Greg
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Lightner, Jeff <jlightner at water.com> wrote:
>
> So the secret for getting 10 years is to leave them on all the time?
> That seems like it might defeat the energy savings point of using CFLs.
> :-)
>
> I haven't seen 10 years on any yet (mainly because I've been buying them
> for less than 5) but have seen some die.   They still have a longer life
> than the average incandescent.
>
> Ever notice that despite all the energy "savings" that have been forced
> on us over the years our power bills continue to rise?   One of these
> days they'll figure out how to have everything run itself via hyperspace
> radiation they aren't providing, yet charge us $1000/month for the
> privilege of not using their power plants.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Ron
> Frazier
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:10 PM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [ale] OT: Disposal of standard fluorescent lamps?
>
> I think it depends on how the photo sensor switches the light on and
> off. I had a motion sensor using a CFL for a while, and the bulb lasted
> less than 1 year.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ron
>
> On 03/29/2011 07:44 AM, Geoffrey Myers wrote:
>> Ron Frazier wrote:
>>
>>> I went all CFL about a year ago in my house for all screw in bulbs.
> Room
>>> lights are circular FL, and a couple of rooms have 4 ft. tubes. I
> think
>>> the old 4 ft. tubes are not terribly efficient because of the old
>>> ballast. Just haven't gotten around to replacing them. I removed the
> two
>>> or three dimmers that were in the house. It's somewhat frustrating
>>> without them, but not too bad. In some fixtures, I left a couple of
>>> sockets empty so everything wasn't so bright. Using the dimmer on the
>>> CFL will destroy the electronics as far as I know. By the way, the
> same
>>> thing applies to using them with a photo sensor or motion detector,
>>> unless they're specifically rated for CFL. Generally, to work
> properly,
>>> the photo sensor or motion detector would have to activate the lamp
> with
>>> a relay rather than a solid state switch as far as I know.
>>>
>> I've not heard about this issue with the photo sensor, but I've got an
>> outside spot light set (two bulbs) controlled by a photo sensor and it
>> works just fine with the two CFLs I've got in there.  I've got two
> other
>> spot light sets on my house that auto dim, so I can't use the CFLs
> with
>> those.
>>
>>
>>> FYI, if you break one of these things, and follow the recommended
>>> cleanup, it's pretty ugly, to the point of throwing away clothing
> which
>>> gets the phosphor on it. Google for CFL cleanup or something and look
>>> for reputable sites. I had a link somewhere once, but don't know
> where
>>> it is now.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> On 03/28/2011 03:53 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Jim Kinney<jim.kinney at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This is good to know! I'm finding the "10 year life span" to be
> totally crap
>>>>> marketing and have a small collection of CFL's and few 4' tubes
> that need a
>>>>> funeral.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW: CFL's are in general not designed for "base up" operation
> unless
>>>>> specified.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Nor do they work with a dimmer unless specified.  And even then,
> they
>>>> are not near as good with a dimmer as traditional incandescent
> lights.
>>>>
>>>> fyi: the state of Georgia may pass a law that it is legal to
>>>> manufacture and sell incandescent in GA as long as they don't cross
>>>> the state line.  (ie. Fed Law only kicks in when products ship
> between
>>>> states.)
>>>>
>>>> I know the proposed law passed the state senate a few weeks ago.  I
>>>> have been interested enough to follow it in the house.
>>>>
>>>> My mine desire is to be able to have incandescent lights in places I
>>>> use a dimmer.  After all, dimmer's save electricity too unless you
>>>> keep them at max. most of the time.
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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