[ale] Fwd: Voting machines

[Edward O. Holcroft]

Delusional. Take your shit somewhere else.


On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 10:07 PM Bob Toxen via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 08:50:11PM -0500, Solomon Peachy wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 06:55:23PM -0500, Bob Toxen via Ale wrote:
> > > This is done in Florida, where I voted for the first time in November.
>
> > I've been voting in FL since 2002, in four different counties.
>
> > > Each voter watches the counting machine process.  Maybe even have it
> > > print out a receipt showing who was voted for the voter to take home.
> > > Paper ballots should be kept by county for 1-5 years and are the
> official
> > > record in case recount or audit.
>
> > Reciepts mean nothing; if the machine "lies" in what it counts then it
> > can lie on the reciept too.
> Good point.
>
> > Only the actual ballot matters.
> Agreed.
>
> > > Each ballot is sequentially numbered with a digital signature on the
> > > ballot that is verified by the scanner.  It is tracked which numbered
> > > ballots went to each precinct and verified during scanning.  That
> numbered
> > > ballot should be tracked at each point
>
> > I don't recall if there is a unique number printed on the actual ballot
> > itself, but the ballot books are definitely numbered and tracked to the
> > precinct.  Spoiled ballots are accounted for, and "used ballots" must
> > equal "counted+spoiled ballots"; also the number of counted ballots must
> > match the number of folks who checked into the precinct.  Once the
> > ballot goes into the box, it cannot be removed by the local poll
> > workers, and at every step where the ballots (and boxes) are handled,
> > multiple observers are present.
>
> > > This prevents bogus ballots from being injected, which appears to have
> > > happened in the November election.
>
> > [Citation needed]
>
> > > Obviously track when voter votes, either in person or by mail, to
> prevent
> > > multiple voting.
>
> > This is already done.
> Great.  Florida voting seems much more secure than Georgia!
>
> > > Of course check for a voter voting in multiple precents in a state
>
> > Registration in FL is statewide, and at time of voting your name is
> > checked against the list of folks registered for that precinct.  Not on
> > the list?  Provisional ballot for you, providing you show the required
> > documentation showing you are legally allowed to vote in that precinct.
> Good.
>
> > > Spot checking of paper ballots vs machine counts to detect flaky or
> > > hacked scanners.
>
> > Already the case.
> Good.
>
> > > Picture state or Federal government ID must be provided for
> registration
> > > or in person voting or copy of same (or similar solution) for mail-in
> > > ballots.  Much fraud here.
>
> > Already the case.  Oh, and [citation needed].
> Yes, in Florida and Georgia for in person voting.
>
> > > Of course match the voter's voting signature (sign in at poll or outer
> > > envelope if mail-in.)  Apparently LOTS of fraud here in November.
>
> > Already the case.  (FFS, the last two elections I had to re-sign my name
> > multiple times to make the poll workers happy)
> Not in Georgia.  Essentially zero signature matching.
>
> > Oh, and [citation needed].
>
> > > Claims of voter suppression here is a damn lie.
>
> > Once again, [citation needed].
> I'll stop here as too far off this topic.
>
> > > Sadly massive voter fraud appears to have happened in November but not
> > > due to hacked machines.
>
> > [citation needed] -- especially as there are now what, 50 court losses
> > where they utterly failed to present *any* evidence of fraud, massive or
> > otherwise?
> Correction: judges refused to consider the cases and refused to look at any
> of the massive evidence.  Why they refused to look, frankly, is a mystery
> to me but again off topic.
>
> > (It's funny how being under oath causes one to change their story)
> Yup.  Hundreds of affidavits affirming illegal ballot counting and
> shocking video of very likely illegal fraudulent counting in
> Fulton County, GA.
>
> > > Disagreements to /dev/null please.
>
> > In other words, where this drivel should have gone to begin with.
> YMMV.
>
> > If you don't want to be called out, don't post BS in a public forum.
> YMMV.
>
> >  - Solomon
> > --
> > Solomon Peachy                              pizza at shaftnet dot org
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> >                                       @pizza:shaftnet dot org   (matrix)
> > High Springs, FL                      speachy (freenode)
> Bob
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