[ale] Fwd: Voting machines

Tue Dec 15 14:59:17 EST 2020

There was a point in time years back when national politics bled into ALE. During that election cycle the membership plummeted as a few die hards would pound the keyboards and foment ire. It was unpleasant to watch, read, and eventually moderate with no mercy.

I pay a stupid amount of money right now to keep the ale.org server online. I will TURN IT OFF if I see ANY discussion of any election that extends beyond how Linux systems could help or hinder voting. I hope everyone eligible to vote does so in a respectful manner so they can also get called up for jury duty.

The feces can become ambulatory and reside elsewhere.

On December 15, 2020 8:38:36 AM EST, "Edward O. Holcroft via Ale" <ale at ale.org> wrote:
>Delusional. Take your shit somewhere else.
>
>
>On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 10:07 PM Bob Toxen via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 08:50:11PM -0500, Solomon Peachy wrote:
>> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 06:55:23PM -0500, Bob Toxen via Ale wrote:
>> > > This is done in Florida, where I voted for the first time in
>November.
>>
>> > I've been voting in FL since 2002, in four different counties.
>>
>> > > Each voter watches the counting machine process.  Maybe even have
>it
>> > > print out a receipt showing who was voted for the voter to take
>home.
>> > > Paper ballots should be kept by county for 1-5 years and are the
>> official
>> > > record in case recount or audit.
>>
>> > Reciepts mean nothing; if the machine "lies" in what it counts then
>it
>> > can lie on the reciept too.
>> Good point.
>>
>> > Only the actual ballot matters.
>> Agreed.
>>
>> > > Each ballot is sequentially numbered with a digital signature on
>the
>> > > ballot that is verified by the scanner.  It is tracked which
>numbered
>> > > ballots went to each precinct and verified during scanning.  That
>> numbered
>> > > ballot should be tracked at each point
>>
>> > I don't recall if there is a unique number printed on the actual
>ballot
>> > itself, but the ballot books are definitely numbered and tracked to
>the
>> > precinct.  Spoiled ballots are accounted for, and "used ballots"
>must
>> > equal "counted+spoiled ballots"; also the number of counted ballots
>must
>> > match the number of folks who checked into the precinct.  Once the
>> > ballot goes into the box, it cannot be removed by the local poll
>> > workers, and at every step where the ballots (and boxes) are
>handled,
>> > multiple observers are present.
>>
>> > > This prevents bogus ballots from being injected, which appears to
>have
>> > > happened in the November election.
>>
>> > [Citation needed]
>>
>> > > Obviously track when voter votes, either in person or by mail, to
>> prevent
>> > > multiple voting.
>>
>> > This is already done.
>> Great.  Florida voting seems much more secure than Georgia!
>>
>> > > Of course check for a voter voting in multiple precents in a
>state
>>
>> > Registration in FL is statewide, and at time of voting your name is
>> > checked against the list of folks registered for that precinct. 
>Not on
>> > the list?  Provisional ballot for you, providing you show the
>required
>> > documentation showing you are legally allowed to vote in that
>precinct.
>> Good.
>>
>> > > Spot checking of paper ballots vs machine counts to detect flaky
>or
>> > > hacked scanners.
>>
>> > Already the case.
>> Good.
>>
>> > > Picture state or Federal government ID must be provided for
>> registration
>> > > or in person voting or copy of same (or similar solution) for
>mail-in
>> > > ballots.  Much fraud here.
>>
>> > Already the case.  Oh, and [citation needed].
>> Yes, in Florida and Georgia for in person voting.
>>
>> > > Of course match the voter's voting signature (sign in at poll or
>outer
>> > > envelope if mail-in.)  Apparently LOTS of fraud here in November.
>>
>> > Already the case.  (FFS, the last two elections I had to re-sign my
>name
>> > multiple times to make the poll workers happy)
>> Not in Georgia.  Essentially zero signature matching.
>>
>> > Oh, and [citation needed].
>>
>> > > Claims of voter suppression here is a damn lie.
>>
>> > Once again, [citation needed].
>> I'll stop here as too far off this topic.
>>
>> > > Sadly massive voter fraud appears to have happened in November
>but not
>> > > due to hacked machines.
>>
>> > [citation needed] -- especially as there are now what, 50 court
>losses
>> > where they utterly failed to present *any* evidence of fraud,
>massive or
>> > otherwise?
>> Correction: judges refused to consider the cases and refused to look
>at any
>> of the massive evidence.  Why they refused to look, frankly, is a
>mystery
>> to me but again off topic.
>>
>> > (It's funny how being under oath causes one to change their story)
>> Yup.  Hundreds of affidavits affirming illegal ballot counting and
>> shocking video of very likely illegal fraudulent counting in
>> Fulton County, GA.
>>
>> > > Disagreements to /dev/null please.
>>
>> > In other words, where this drivel should have gone to begin with.
>> YMMV.
>>
>> > If you don't want to be called out, don't post BS in a public
>forum.
>> YMMV.
>>
>> >  - Solomon
>> > --
>> > Solomon Peachy                              pizza at shaftnet dot
>org
>> (email&xmpp)
>> >                                       @pizza:shaftnet dot org  
>(matrix)
>> > High Springs, FL                      speachy (freenode)
>> Bob
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