[ale] [EXTERNAL] Re: No more CentOS as an LTS release

[Scott Plante]

And (apparently separate from Rocky) Cloud Linux is planning to spend
$1M/year on their own CentOS alternative. Maybe they'll end up joining
forces?
https://www.zdnet.com/article/cloudlinux-to-invest-more-than-a-million-dollar-a-year-into-centos-clone/

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 4:44 PM Brian MacLeod via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:

> One thing about open source.  If a project changes direction and people
> aren't happy, then they can go fork themselves.
>
> Project already started over here, named in honor of one of the founders
> of CentOS/CaOS.
>
> https://github.com/hpcng/rocky
>
> bnm
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:12 PM Leam Hall via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
>
>> I'd not put too much on OEL, my bet is that they will go to something
>> less free sooner or later. If you stuff can stay in CentOS 7, might
>> want to keep it there for a while.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:03 PM Beddingfield, Allen via Ale <ale at ale.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Most people I know view it as "free Red Hat without support".  Now the
>> free option has been removed for the exact same thing.  I think most of
>> those people will peel off to Oracle's free Linux offering, or move over to
>> openSUSE Leap or Ubuntu LTS.
>> > We are almost 100% a SUSE shop, and to avoid paying for physical server
>> licenses, we've started putting openSUSE Leap (it is to SLES what CentOS
>> is/was to RHEL) on them.  We just do the blanket virtualization host
>> licenses with support for VMs.  We have a few things around that require
>> RHEL, which are on CentOS.  I'll be moving them to OEL.
>> > Allen B.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Allen Beddingfield
>> > Systems Engineer
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>> > The University of Alabama
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>> > allen at ua.edu
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________________
>> > From: Scott McBrien <smcbrien at gmail.com>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 5:26 PM
>> > To: Jim Kinney; Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
>> > Cc: Beddingfield, Allen
>> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ale] No more CentOS as an LTS release
>> >
>> > Actually this had nothing to do with IBM.  Red Hat, working with the
>> CentOS Board had been looking at how to change CentOS Linux for a while.
>> Red Hat still operates largely independently of IBM.
>> >
>> > Red Hat agreed to acquire the CentOS Project because it needed funding
>> and structure and a lot of Red Hat product developers, like those working
>> on OpenStack, used CentOS Linux because getting RHEL was difficult.  Red
>> Hat created the Developer Subscription program, which essentially provides
>> developers a zero-cost way of getting a variety of Red Hat products
>> including RHEL and OpenShift.
>> >
>> > Additionally, with CentOS Linux where it’s positioned as a downstream,
>> in order to get a problem resolved, one had to get the update included in
>> Fedora.  Then convince the RHEL maintainer to pull the update into RHEL,
>> then wait for the RHEL release at which time the updated package could be
>> built for CentOS Linux.  Or, alternatively, you pulled the source, applied
>> your update, then compiled, installed, and maintained this package for the
>> duration of your environment.  With stream you can make direct PRs and the
>> workflow for merging a change to CentOS Stream is much more sane.  This
>> benefits project contributors like Facebook and some National Labs.
>> >
>> > -Scott
>> >
>> > On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Jim Kinney via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > That certainly tosses sand in the gears. Thank you IBM.
>> >
>> > Granted most people use centos as an upstream dev setup anyway but the
>> loss of a lts release will be a huge mess.
>> >
>> > On December 8, 2020 3:48:11 PM EST, "Beddingfield, Allen via Ale" <
>> ale at ale.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Sounds like a good time for people to re-evaluate, and move to openSUSE
>> Leap (or Ubuntu LTS or OEL if you are into that sort of thing lol)
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.cyberciti.biz/linux-news/centos-linux-8-will-end-in-2021-and-shifts-focus-to-centos-stream/
>> >
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