[ale] [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: No more CentOS as an LTS release

[Jim Kinney]

Maybe Scientific Linux will return.

On December 9, 2020 5:15:23 PM EST, "Beddingfield, Allen via Ale" <ale at ale.org> wrote:
>That is good news.  I suspect many of these will be springing up in the
>near future.  We definitely don't want to let Oracle be the only
>alternative....because they have a way of making things that were free
>suddenly become extremely "not free".
>
>--
>Allen Beddingfield
>Systems Engineer
>Office of Information Technology
>The University of Alabama
>Office 205-348-2251
>allen at ua.edu
>
>
>________________________________________
>From: Ale <ale-bounces at ale.org> on behalf of Brian MacLeod via Ale
><ale at ale.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 3:44 PM
>To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
>Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ale] Re: No more CentOS as an LTS release
>
>One thing about open source.  If a project changes direction and people
>aren't happy, then they can go fork themselves.
>
>Project already started over here, named in honor of one of the
>founders of CentOS/CaOS.
>
>https://github.com/hpcng/rocky
>
>bnm
>
>On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:12 PM Leam Hall via Ale
><ale at ale.org<mailto:ale at ale.org>> wrote:
>I'd not put too much on OEL, my bet is that they will go to something
>less free sooner or later. If you stuff can stay in CentOS 7, might
>want to keep it there for a while.
>
>On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:03 PM Beddingfield, Allen via Ale
><ale at ale.org<mailto:ale at ale.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Most people I know view it as "free Red Hat without support".  Now
>the free option has been removed for the exact same thing.  I think
>most of those people will peel off to Oracle's free Linux offering, or
>move over to openSUSE Leap or Ubuntu LTS.
>> We are almost 100% a SUSE shop, and to avoid paying for physical
>server licenses, we've started putting openSUSE Leap (it is to SLES
>what CentOS is/was to RHEL) on them.  We just do the blanket
>virtualization host licenses with support for VMs.  We have a few
>things around that require RHEL, which are on CentOS.  I'll be moving
>them to OEL.
>> Allen B.
>>
>> --
>> Allen Beddingfield
>> Systems Engineer
>> Office of Information Technology
>> The University of Alabama
>> Office 205-348-2251
>> allen at ua.edu<mailto:allen at ua.edu>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Scott McBrien <smcbrien at gmail.com<mailto:smcbrien at gmail.com>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 5:26 PM
>> To: Jim Kinney; Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
>> Cc: Beddingfield, Allen
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ale] No more CentOS as an LTS release
>>
>> Actually this had nothing to do with IBM.  Red Hat, working with the
>CentOS Board had been looking at how to change CentOS Linux for a
>while.  Red Hat still operates largely independently of IBM.
>>
>> Red Hat agreed to acquire the CentOS Project because it needed
>funding and structure and a lot of Red Hat product developers, like
>those working on OpenStack, used CentOS Linux because getting RHEL was
>difficult.  Red Hat created the Developer Subscription program, which
>essentially provides developers a zero-cost way of getting a variety of
>Red Hat products including RHEL and OpenShift.
>>
>> Additionally, with CentOS Linux where it’s positioned as a
>downstream, in order to get a problem resolved, one had to get the
>update included in Fedora.  Then convince the RHEL maintainer to pull
>the update into RHEL, then wait for the RHEL release at which time the
>updated package could be built for CentOS Linux.  Or, alternatively,
>you pulled the source, applied your update, then compiled, installed,
>and maintained this package for the duration of your environment.  With
>stream you can make direct PRs and the workflow for merging a change to
>CentOS Stream is much more sane.  This benefits project contributors
>like Facebook and some National Labs.
>>
>> -Scott
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Jim Kinney via Ale
><ale at ale.org<mailto:ale at ale.org>> wrote:
>>
>> That certainly tosses sand in the gears. Thank you IBM.
>>
>> Granted most people use centos as an upstream dev setup anyway but
>the loss of a lts release will be a huge mess.
>>
>> On December 8, 2020 3:48:11 PM EST, "Beddingfield, Allen via Ale"
><ale at ale.org<mailto:ale at ale.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like a good time for people to re-evaluate, and move to
>openSUSE Leap (or Ubuntu LTS or OEL if you are into that sort of thing
>lol)
>>
>>
>https://www.cyberciti.biz/linux-news/centos-linux-8-will-end-in-2021-and-shifts-focus-to-centos-stream/
>>
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>> Allen Beddingfield
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>> Office of Information Technology
>> The University of Alabama
>> Office 205-348-2251
>> allen at ua.edu<mailto:allen at ua.edu>
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