[ale] [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: No more CentOS as an LTS release

[Beddingfield, Allen]

That is good news.  I suspect many of these will be springing up in the near future.  We definitely don't want to let Oracle be the only alternative....because they have a way of making things that were free suddenly become extremely "not free".

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Allen Beddingfield
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From: Ale <ale-bounces at ale.org> on behalf of Brian MacLeod via Ale <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 3:44 PM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ale] Re: No more CentOS as an LTS release

One thing about open source.  If a project changes direction and people aren't happy, then they can go fork themselves.

Project already started over here, named in honor of one of the founders of CentOS/CaOS.

https://github.com/hpcng/rocky

bnm

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:12 PM Leam Hall via Ale <ale at ale.org<mailto:ale at ale.org>> wrote:
I'd not put too much on OEL, my bet is that they will go to something
less free sooner or later. If you stuff can stay in CentOS 7, might
want to keep it there for a while.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:03 PM Beddingfield, Allen via Ale <ale at ale.org<mailto:ale at ale.org>> wrote:
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> Most people I know view it as "free Red Hat without support".  Now the free option has been removed for the exact same thing.  I think most of those people will peel off to Oracle's free Linux offering, or move over to openSUSE Leap or Ubuntu LTS.
> We are almost 100% a SUSE shop, and to avoid paying for physical server licenses, we've started putting openSUSE Leap (it is to SLES what CentOS is/was to RHEL) on them.  We just do the blanket virtualization host licenses with support for VMs.  We have a few things around that require RHEL, which are on CentOS.  I'll be moving them to OEL.
> Allen B.
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> ________________________________________
> From: Scott McBrien <smcbrien at gmail.com<mailto:smcbrien at gmail.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 5:26 PM
> To: Jim Kinney; Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Cc: Beddingfield, Allen
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ale] No more CentOS as an LTS release
>
> Actually this had nothing to do with IBM.  Red Hat, working with the CentOS Board had been looking at how to change CentOS Linux for a while.  Red Hat still operates largely independently of IBM.
>
> Red Hat agreed to acquire the CentOS Project because it needed funding and structure and a lot of Red Hat product developers, like those working on OpenStack, used CentOS Linux because getting RHEL was difficult.  Red Hat created the Developer Subscription program, which essentially provides developers a zero-cost way of getting a variety of Red Hat products including RHEL and OpenShift.
>
> Additionally, with CentOS Linux where it’s positioned as a downstream, in order to get a problem resolved, one had to get the update included in Fedora.  Then convince the RHEL maintainer to pull the update into RHEL, then wait for the RHEL release at which time the updated package could be built for CentOS Linux.  Or, alternatively, you pulled the source, applied your update, then compiled, installed, and maintained this package for the duration of your environment.  With stream you can make direct PRs and the workflow for merging a change to CentOS Stream is much more sane.  This benefits project contributors like Facebook and some National Labs.
>
> -Scott
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> On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Jim Kinney via Ale <ale at ale.org<mailto:ale at ale.org>> wrote:
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> That certainly tosses sand in the gears. Thank you IBM.
>
> Granted most people use centos as an upstream dev setup anyway but the loss of a lts release will be a huge mess.
>
> On December 8, 2020 3:48:11 PM EST, "Beddingfield, Allen via Ale" <ale at ale.org<mailto:ale at ale.org>> wrote:
>
> Sounds like a good time for people to re-evaluate, and move to openSUSE Leap (or Ubuntu LTS or OEL if you are into that sort of thing lol)
>
> https://www.cyberciti.biz/linux-news/centos-linux-8-will-end-in-2021-and-shifts-focus-to-centos-stream/
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