[ale] Monitoring (Was "Todays trends")

Wed Oct 16 12:00:52 EDT 2013

 If a Chiropractor touches me There Will Be Blood.  ChiropractIc has a
documented history of harming and even killing patients (
http://whatstheharm.net/chiropractic.html  ), yet no controlled,
peer-reviewed studies have demonstrated that it is more effective than
conventional medicine for any condition  ( http://skepdic.com/chiro.html )
.  The best cure for not exercising is to exercise. The best cure for not
getting enough sleep is to sleep. The simplest way to lose weight is to eat
less. For other conditions, I think I'll take my chances with medical
technology which has been scientifically vetted.  We obviously disagree on
this.

Taking a lifestyle drug such as Viagra or a sleep aid like Ambien, or even
an antidepressant like Zoloft is a personal choice. Everyone has to weigh
the possible benefits of those drugs against their dangers.  The conditions
which these drugs are designed to fix have little or nothing to do with
immune systems, natural living, or what people ate for breakfast.

Most people who live with cancer, AIDS, or other life-threatening
conditions do much better with actual establishment medical technology than
they do with witch-doctoring of any kind, whether it's reflexology,
chiropractic, orgone therapy, apricot pit extract, or any of the other
myriad ideas pushed by people who discount actual scientific study on what
works and what does not.   Some people get better no matter what treatment
they choose.  Some people don't even with the best treatment available.
If:  (1) You get sick (2) Someone treats your sickness and (3) You get
better, THEN: (4) Nothing on the planet will convince you that your
treatment didn't make you better. That is why controlled, peer-reviewed
studies are the only way to know if a proposed treatment for a condition
actually works, or how well it works.

In countries which have  widespread access to modern medicine, lifespans
have consistently been rising over generations.  In countries where that is
not true, lifespans have remained static or fallen over the same period.

-- CHS

On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Ron Frazier (ALE) <
atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com> wrote:

> Hi Charles,
>
> This is off topic in the new world order, so I'll try to be brief.  It is
> an old thread though.
>
> I agree with your statement, as stated, but with an addendum.
>
> I periodically go to a chiropractor to dekink my bones from the side
> effects of lots of computer work, minimal exercise, and sleeping crooked.
>  He deserves to be right next to Scotty from the starship Enterprise as a
> "miracle worker".  So, neither a balanced immune system nor drugs will fix
> that.
>
> But ...
>
> I've personally met a very smart soon to be high school graduate at a
> meeting.  She has scoliosis, or abnormally curved spine.  She has been and
> is facing the prospect of fairly radical neurosurgery which would almost
> certainly REDUCE her mobility by a large percentage, especially if they
> fuse her vertebrae.  So, in essence, the surgery will substantially DISABLE
> her, much more so than she is now.  If the condition is not treated, it
> could be dangerous, so something has to be done.  Interestingly enough, she
> wants to become a neurosurgeon.
>
> I've referred her to my chiropractor, and since patient info is
> confidential, I may never know what happens.  BUT, the staff tells me that
> they have helped MANY similar people and are usually able to avoid any
> surgery and CURE the problem.
>
> So, conventional science wants her to spend tens to hundreds of thousands
> of dollars on an inferior treatment which will likely leave her partially
> disabled for the rest of her life and is irreversible, when there is a non
> invasive, harmless treatment that costs only hundreds or thousands of
> dollars (depending on the number of visits) which is likely to totally cure
> her.
>
> That makes me sick!
>
> My original comment was mainly about the drugs, which were mentioned in
> the context of patents.  Try this experiment.  Take some time to look at
> and listen to a bunch of drug ads on your favorite news or sports channel
> rather than passing over them.  They almost all essentially say this:
>
> You have these symptoms from this disease that you don't like.  Take our
> (probably insanely expensive) drug for the rest of your life and we'll
> relieve your symptoms while not doing hardly anything to cure the disease.
>  In addition, we'll probably damage your organs and possibly kill you in
> the process.  Enjoy, and keep feeding us your money.
>
> That's what also makes me sick!
>
> The most irritating are the ones for "enhancement" of body parts, weight
> loss, and low energy.  Well, most people, if they don't have organ damage
> or genetic defects, can use proper nutrition and exercise to foster a
> balanced immune system, and other systems, which will naturally allow your
> body parts to work, your weight to be ok, and your energy to be sufficient.
>
> I didn't say it it would be easy.  I sometimes have excess weight and low
> energy myself.  Like right now.  Time for a 2PM lunch after staying up half
> the night.
>
> Yes ... that was my brief answer.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> Charles Shapiro <hooterpincher at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Boosting your immune system won't help if you've broken your
> >collarbone.
> >I'm personally grateful for modern surgery and modern anaesthetics.
> >
> >-- CHS
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
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>
> (PS - If you email me and don't get a quick response, you might want to
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> quickly.)
>
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