[ale] [OT] Groklaw shuts down due to potential "forced exposure" issues
PairOfTwins
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Wed Aug 21 11:40:46 EDT 2013
All:
Recently I visited our two GA senator's websites. I saw Sen Chambliss
had a whole section on the 2nd amendment, but not 4th or 5th. When I
called his Atlanta office to ask about the revelations that Mr. Snowden
provided, the staff said he had no position to offer! I suggested that
his oath of office obligated him to take a position.
When I called Sen Isakson's DC office, a staffer said that he voted for
and supports the "amendment". Which amendment? No, it was a "bill".
Which bill? Long pause... FISA! You mean the Senator supports every
provision of every version of FISA since Sep 11, 2001? YES he does! I
then read to her from the Senator's oath of office:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the
Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I
take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose
of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of
the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.
She quickly found a reason to hang up, after assuring me she would pass
along my concerns.
Tom
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On 08/20/2013 11:39 AM, Chuck Payne wrote:
> Yea, Bush started it and I agree with you, people should have stood up
> then.
>
> What pisses me off the most I can find video of Obama saying he was
> going to end it. And other videos of him as senator saying how wrong
> of Bush to do it, but under his sure it has ramped up.
>
> There is no excuse. It amazes me that everyone gives him a pass.
>
> I am Libertarian. I hate government, I don't need father government.
> But if you saying thing against this president, the name calling game
> starts. I am so sick of it. You all the time how people don't approve
> of what his doing, but won't do anything to stop him.
>
> Sorry guys, my family has shed too much blood for this country and I
> am really sick of the directions it is going. I really wish we could
> get rid of our two party system because as long both are in power,
> there is no check and balance, each party is just as bad as the
> others. Both parties will get away with what ever they want
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Lightner, Jeff <JLightner at water.com
> <mailto:JLightner at water.com>> wrote:
>
> “Hope and change” implies as has a lot of recent press that this
> is new under the current President. I remind you these policies
> were put in place under the previous one.
>
> The fact is that it is wrong regardless of which President does it
> however I’d also note that the Republicans did not fight it when
> they held Congress under Bush and in fact during the early days of
> the Patriot act many folks liked to pretend dissent was the same
> as treason.
>
> The Democrats rightly decried the phone spying program before they
> took over Congress but then to show us it doesn’t matter who is in
> office not only did they pass a law authorizing it – they made it
> retroactive to cover what had been done under Bush.
>
> However, I’d suggest those who let Bush et al get away with these
> tactics made it much easier for Obama et al to continue them.
>
> A problem with supporting dictators is that even if you like the
> guy in power now the chances are you won’t like the one who
> succeeds him.
>
> *From:*ale-bounces at ale.org <mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org>
> [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org <mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org>] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck Payne
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:15 AM
> *To:* Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> *Subject:* Re: [ale] [OT] Groklaw shuts down due to potential
> "forced exposure" issues
>
> Plutocracy or The United States of Soviet Republic.It sucks, if
> this was hope and change was, I want my civil freedoms back. I
> have visited police states, it not fun.
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Robert Heaven
> <roberth1954 at aim.com <mailto:roberth1954 at aim.com>> wrote:
>
> I believe the term you're looking for is: Plutocracy
>
> On Aug 20, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Courtney Thomas
> <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net
> <mailto:courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net>> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 8/20/2013 8:07 AM, Jim Kinney wrote:
>
>
> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130818120421175
>
> What the hell kind of country are we turning into?
>
>
> --
>
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> /
> Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail.
> What you gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like
> feeding a dog on his own tail. It won't fatten the dog.
> - Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain
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> Welcome to the United States of Russia :-( and
>
> torture, illegal property seizure, bought elections, voter
> disenfranchisement, vast global-leading imprisonment, foreign
> invasions, governmental secrecy, emasculated bought press,
> cancerous police state encroachments, unconstitutional disregard
> of individual rights, terrorist labeling of dissent, two
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