[ale] [OT] Groklaw shuts down due to potential "forced exposure" issues

Tue Aug 20 12:19:07 EDT 2013

It's not the parties. It's the money. The congress critters fund the
military-industrial complex which takes huge chunks of that money and hands
it back to the politicians to keep funneling the cash their way. Wall
Street does the same thing. We all know the only way to bring this crap to
an end is total transparency but that won't happen. If everyone could see
who was in what pocket, all hell would break loose. The sane parts of both
Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party are barking at the same problem from
opposite ends. Wall Street is NOT the economy and a constant state of war
does NOT create peace and tranquility anywhere.

And it's not the money of being in office. It's what happens outside the
official "in office" stuff. The power and influence is more addictive than
any drug. One has to wonder about an election where more money is spent to
get the seat than the seat pays fro the term. There's a much bigger payout
from somewhere.

I am just cynical enough to see the connections between the underfunding of
schools to create a large enough constant "voluntary" military force due to
no other options. The blue-collar jobs are flying away overseas so what
used to go to those jobs, now goes to the army because there's nothing else
to do.

Maybe if we had a tax system allowed people to keep whatever amount of
their (no deductions AT ALL) income based on where they are on the income
scale - so the bottom keeps their 99% and pays 1% and the top keeps 1% and
pays 99%. If the backroom deals didn't have constant access to enough cash
to feed all of Africa for a year, maybe we wouldn't have such a polluted
government policy landscape.

I've been a dreamer...

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Chuck Payne <terrorpup at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yea, Bush started it and I agree with you, people should have stood up
> then.
>
> What pisses me off the most I can find video of Obama saying he was going
> to end it. And other videos of him as senator saying how wrong of Bush to
> do it, but under his sure it has ramped up.
>
> There is no excuse. It amazes me that everyone gives him a pass.
>
> I am Libertarian.  I hate government,  I don't need father government. But
> if you saying thing against this president, the name calling game starts. I
> am so sick of it.  You all the time how people don't approve of what his
> doing, but won't do anything to stop him.
>
> Sorry guys, my family has shed too much blood for this country and I am
> really sick of the directions it is going. I really wish we could get rid
> of our two party system because as long both are in power, there is no
> check and balance, each party is just as bad as the others. Both parties
> will get away with what ever they want
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Lightner, Jeff <JLightner at water.com>wrote:
>
>>   “Hope and change” implies as has a lot of recent press that this is
>> new under the current President.  I remind you these policies were put in
>> place under the previous one.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The fact is that it is wrong regardless of which President does it
>> however I’d also note that the Republicans did not fight it when they held
>> Congress under Bush and in fact during the early days of the Patriot act
>> many folks liked to pretend dissent was the same as treason.    ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The Democrats rightly decried the phone spying program before they took
>> over Congress but then to show us it doesn’t matter who is in office not
>> only did they pass a law authorizing it – they made it retroactive to cover
>> what had been done under Bush.****
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>> However, I’d suggest those who let Bush et al get away with these tactics
>> made it much easier for Obama et al to continue them.****
>>
>> ** **
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>> A problem with supporting dictators is that even if you like the guy in
>> power now the chances are you won’t like the one who succeeds him.   ****
>>
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>> *From:* ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck
>> Payne
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:15 AM
>> *To:* Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
>> *Subject:* Re: [ale] [OT] Groklaw shuts down due to potential "forced
>> exposure" issues****
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>> ** **
>>
>> Plutocracy or The United States of Soviet Republic.It sucks, if this was
>> hope and change was, I want my civil freedoms back.  I have visited police
>> states, it not fun. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Robert Heaven <roberth1954 at aim.com>
>> wrote:****
>>
>> I believe the term you're looking for is: Plutocracy****
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>> On Aug 20, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Courtney Thomas <
>> courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:****
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>> ****
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>> On 8/20/2013 8:07 AM, Jim Kinney wrote:****
>>
>>
>> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130818120421175****
>>
>> What the hell kind of country are we turning into?****
>>
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