<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>It's not the parties. It's the money. The congress critters fund the military-industrial complex which takes huge chunks of that money and hands it back to the politicians to keep funneling the cash their way. Wall Street does the same thing. We all know the only way to bring this crap to an end is total transparency but that won't happen. If everyone could see who was in what pocket, all hell would break loose. The sane parts of both Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party are barking at the same problem from opposite ends. Wall Street is NOT the economy and a constant state of war does NOT create peace and tranquility anywhere.<br>
<br></div>And it's not the money of being in office. It's what happens outside the official "in office" stuff. The power and influence is more addictive than any drug. One has to wonder about an election where more money is spent to get the seat than the seat pays fro the term. There's a much bigger payout from somewhere.<br>
<br></div>I am just cynical enough to see the connections between the underfunding of schools to create a large enough constant "voluntary" military force due to no other options. The blue-collar jobs are flying away overseas so what used to go to those jobs, now goes to the army because there's nothing else to do.<br>
<br></div>Maybe if we had a tax system allowed people to keep whatever amount of their (no deductions AT ALL) income based on where they are on the income scale - so the bottom keeps their 99% and pays 1% and the top keeps 1% and pays 99%. If the backroom deals didn't have constant access to enough cash to feed all of Africa for a year, maybe we wouldn't have such a polluted government policy landscape.<br>
<br></div>I've been a dreamer...<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Chuck Payne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:terrorpup@gmail.com" target="_blank">terrorpup@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Yea, Bush started it and I agree with you, people should have stood up then. <br><br>What pisses me off the most I can find video of Obama saying he was going to end it. And other videos of him as senator saying how wrong of Bush to do it, but under his sure it has ramped up. <br>
<br>There is no excuse. It amazes me that everyone gives him a pass. <br><br>I am Libertarian. I hate government, I don't need father government. But if you saying thing against this president, the name calling game starts. I am so sick of it. You all the time how people don't approve of what his doing, but won't do anything to stop him. <br>
<br></div><div>Sorry guys, my family has shed too much blood for this country and I am really sick of the directions it is going. I really wish we could get rid of our two party system because as long both are in power, there is no check and balance, each party is just as bad as the others. Both parties will get away with what ever they want <br>
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<br></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>Chuck <br></div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Lightner, Jeff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:JLightner@water.com" target="_blank">JLightner@water.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The fact is that it is wrong regardless of which President does it however I’d also note that the Republicans did not fight it when they held Congress under
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The Democrats rightly decried the phone spying program before they took over Congress but then to show us it doesn’t matter who is in office not only did they
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">However, I’d suggest those who let Bush et al get away with these tactics made it much easier for Obama et al to continue them.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Welcome to the United States of Russia :-( and <br>
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torture, illegal property seizure, bought elections, voter disenfranchisement, vast global-leading imprisonment, foreign invasions, governmental secrecy, emasculated bought press, cancerous police state encroachments, unconstitutional disregard of individual
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