[ale] [OT] rant - decadence in society - DRM
arxaaron
arxaaron at gmail.com
Wed Mar 30 00:26:57 EDT 2011
On 2011/03/29, at 17:11 , Jim Kinney wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Charles Shapiro <hooterpincher at gmail.com
> > wrote:
> And yet, without those evil corporations we would not be swimming in
> the happy sea of
>
> (toxic waste dumps caused by unregulated production of)
>
> cheap and wonderful hardware which we inhabit. I
> bought a 1/2 terabyte drive at Fry's the other day for $50
>
> (that was built by children who are nearly slaves in China).
>
> Small shops and artisanal craftsmanship cannot produce that kind of
> machinery at that price
>
> (and theyhave no desire to produce WalMart-level quality).
>
> Corporations are certainly capable of
> outrageous behavior, but that's only half the story.
> (The other half is the rampant greed that drives economic system
> to near global collapse)
>
> -- CHS
>
> I have almost zero trust for any process that holds the top level
> blameless
> and harmless from their decisions. Corporations are my prime example.
> Political leaders are the secondary example.
Here's more of the reality. The nicest thing about these videos is that
the simple, clear, down to earth way that Annie Leonard presents the
Truth, it might even be possible for delusional, child killing,
drooling,
Glenn Beck foil hat conspiracy nut, teabagger terrorist, Koch brother
teahadist puppet hate monger types to understand it (assuming it's
possible for them to pull their zombie heads out of their sphincters
for all of ten minutes):
<http://www.youtube.com/storyofstuffproject#p/u/22/9GorqroigqM>
Makes me want to take out a billboard ad for all those patricidal
killers of the American Dream:
Hey STOOPID! It's the CORPORATIONS that are coproRAPING
you, and corpoRAPING your economy, and corpoRAPING your
country, and corpoRAPING your freedoms, and corpoRAPING your
children, and, with the aid of YOUR blissful ignorance and
compliant infantile denial and rabid right wing media puppet
zombie hate mongering terrorism, they are coproRAPING the
future of everyone and everything else on the entire planet, too!
peace
aaron
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Yay! Aaron's back!
> >
> > Constitution is about PEOPLE not corporations.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:36 PM, arxaaron <arxaaron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2011/03/24, at 10:11 , Charles Shapiro wrote:
> >>
> >> > I was merely using Mr. Paine as a hint that copyright laws Need
> to
> >> > Change. "When we are exposed to the same miseries BY a
> government,
> >> > which we might expect in a country WITHOUT government..."
> >> >
> >> > When "Intellectual Property" laws become an IMPEDIMENT to
> innovation,
> >> > rather than a SPUR, it is time to change the laws. Walt Disney
> >> > doesn't own my computer. Warner Brothers can't dictate how I
> use it.
> >> > Sony Inc. won't stop me from writing code.
> >> >
> >> > -- CHS
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Which speaks to the REAL core of the problem, which is that our
> >> social democracy, a Positive, Just and Constructive system of
> >> government that was designed by constitution to establish and
> >> protect the freedoms and civil liberties of its citizens, has been
> >> destroyed by Corporate Welfare State fascism.
> >>
> >> Since usurping the 14th Amendment laws intended to protect the
> >> _human_ rights and civil liberties of freed _human_ slaves in 1896,
> >> the totalitarian structures of piratizing corporation have
> corrupted
> >> every law and every institution of the good government that was
> >> designed to protect the rights and liberties of its citizens. The
> >> corporapist elites and their vicious pursuit of resource theft,
> >> worker exploitation and monopolies have been a the blood
> >> sucking cancer of greed to our nation since its founding.
> >>
> >> peace
> >> aaron
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Jim Kinney
> <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> Brilliant prose from a brilliant person from a time period
> when no
> >> >> government had ever yet done any measurable good for any
> portion of
> >> >> their
> >> >> governed that approached a majority.
> >> >> I wish Franklin and Jefferson could have seen humans walking
> on the
> >> >> moon.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mar 23, 2011 2:57 PM, "Charles Shapiro"
> >> >> <hooterpincher at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> For a more sensible response: I am sorry, but I strongly
> disagree
> >> >>> with
> >> >>> Ron's contentions about Intellectual Property.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Intellectual Property is nonsense. If you steal my real
> property,
> >> >>> you
> >> >>> deprive me of the use of it. Steal my bicycle, and I can't
> use it to
> >> >>> go down to the store. If you make a copy of my book (or my
> song, or
> >> >>> my software...), I can still read (or play, or use) my copy.
> More to
> >> >>> the point, I can still SELL my copy. You could (possibly)
> argue that
> >> >>> publishing your copy of my book may deprive me of some revenues
> >> >>> which
> >> >>> I might otherwise have acquired from selling copies of my
> book, but
> >> >>> that money a phantasm. It is not the same as the money I keep
> in my
> >> >>> wallet or my bank account. "Intellectual Property" laws are
> hacks to
> >> >>> encourage people to write neat stuff. Once they start getting
> >> >>> _in_the_way_ of creating stuff, they're obviously a Bad Idea.
> >> >>> Confusing this putative "Intellectual Property" with real
> property
> >> >>> is
> >> >>> a sure way to misunderstand every moral and legal issue
> associated
> >> >>> with creative work.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The Original Ranter maybe said it best:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in
> its
> >> >>> best
> >> >>> state is but a necessary evil in its worst state an
> intolerable one;
> >> >>> for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a
> >> >>> government, which we might expect in a country without
> government,
> >> >>> our
> >> >>> calamities is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the
> means by
> >> >>> which we suffer! Government, like dress, is the badge of lost
> >> >>> innocence; the palaces of kings are built on the ruins of the
> bowers
> >> >>> of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear,
> uniform, and
> >> >>> irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but
> that not
> >> >>> being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part
> of his
> >> >>> property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and
> this
> >> >>> he
> >> >>> is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case
> >> >>> advises him out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore,
> >> >>> security
> >> >>> being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably
> follows
> >> >>> that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it
> to us,
> >> >>> with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to
> all
> >> >>> others.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> (Tom Paine, 1776)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -- CHS
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jerald Sheets <questy at gmail.com
> >
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>> On Mar 23, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Charles Shapiro wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> And YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> "Residential Vegetation Management Zone"
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> #!/jerald
> >> >>>> Linux User #183003
> >> >>>> Ubuntu User #32648
> >> >>>> Public GPG Key: http://questy.org/js.asc
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> >> >>>> Version: 3.1
> >> >>>> GIT/MU d-@ s++(++)>+++:> a+ C++++(+++)$>++ UBLAVHSC++(on)$>++
> ++
> >> >>>> P++(+++)$>++++ L++(++++)$>+++ !E---(---)>--- W+(++)$>+++ N(+)
> $>+
> >> >>>> + !o !K--
> >> >>>> w(--)>--- O()@> M++(++)$>++ V()>- PS+++()@>-- PE(++)@>+ Y+
> (+)@>+
> >> >>>> PGP++(++)$>+++ t+(++)@>+++ 5(+)@>+ X+(++)@>+++ R+(+)@>++ tv-
> (+)$>++
> >> >>>> b+++(++)$>++ DI++++(++)>+++ D++(++)@>++ G++(++)@>++ e++(++)$>
> ++
> >> >>>> h(-)$>-
> >> >>>> r+++(+++)@>+++ y+(+++)>++++@
> >> >>>> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
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