[ale] [OT] rant - decadence in society - DRM

Tue Mar 29 17:11:23 EDT 2011

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Charles Shapiro <hooterpincher at gmail.com>wrote:

> And yet, without those evil corporations we would not be swimming in
> the happy sea of

> (toxic waste dumps caused by unregulated production of)

> cheap and wonderful hardware which we inhabit.  I
> bought a 1/2 terabyte drive at Fry's the other day for $50

> (that was built by children who are nearly slaves in China).

>  Small shops and artisanal craftsmanship cannot produce that kind of
> machinery at that price

> (and theyhave no desire to produce WalMart-level quality).

>  Corporations are certainly capable of
> outrageous behavior, but that's only half the story.
>
(The other half is the rampant greed that drives economic system to near
global collapse)

>
> -- CHS
>

I have almost zero trust for any process that holds the top level blameless
and harmless from their decisions. Corporations are my prime example.
Political leaders are the secondary example.

>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yay! Aaron's back!
> >
> > Constitution is about PEOPLE not corporations.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:36 PM, arxaaron <arxaaron at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2011/03/24, at 10:11 , Charles Shapiro wrote:
> >>
> >> > I was merely using Mr. Paine as a hint that copyright laws Need to
> >> > Change.  "When we are exposed to the same miseries BY a government,
> >> > which we might expect in a country WITHOUT government..."
> >> >
> >> > When "Intellectual Property" laws become an IMPEDIMENT to innovation,
> >> > rather than a SPUR, it is time to change the laws.  Walt Disney
> >> > doesn't own my computer. Warner Brothers can't dictate how I use it.
> >> > Sony Inc. won't stop me from writing code.
> >> >
> >> > -- CHS
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Which speaks to the REAL core of the problem, which is that our
> >> social democracy, a Positive, Just and Constructive system of
> >> government that was designed by constitution to establish and
> >> protect the freedoms and civil liberties of its citizens, has been
> >> destroyed by Corporate Welfare State fascism.
> >>
> >> Since usurping the 14th Amendment laws intended to protect the
> >> _human_ rights and civil liberties of freed _human_ slaves in 1896,
> >> the totalitarian structures of piratizing corporation have corrupted
> >> every law and every institution of the good government that was
> >> designed to protect the rights and liberties of its citizens.  The
> >> corporapist elites and their vicious pursuit of resource theft,
> >> worker exploitation and monopolies have been a the blood
> >> sucking cancer of greed to our nation since its founding.
> >>
> >> peace
> >> aaron
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> Brilliant prose from a brilliant person from a time period when no
> >> >> government had ever yet done any measurable good for any portion of
> >> >> their
> >> >> governed that approached a majority.
> >> >> I wish Franklin and Jefferson could have seen humans walking on the
> >> >> moon.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mar 23, 2011 2:57 PM, "Charles Shapiro"
> >> >> <hooterpincher at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> For a more sensible response: I am sorry, but I strongly disagree
> >> >>> with
> >> >>> Ron's contentions about Intellectual Property.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Intellectual Property is nonsense. If you steal my real property,
> >> >>> you
> >> >>> deprive me of the use of it. Steal my bicycle, and I can't use it to
> >> >>> go down to the store. If you make a copy of my book (or my song, or
> >> >>> my software...), I can still read (or play, or use) my copy. More to
> >> >>> the point, I can still SELL my copy. You could (possibly) argue that
> >> >>> publishing your copy of my book may deprive me of some revenues
> >> >>> which
> >> >>> I might otherwise have acquired from selling copies of my book, but
> >> >>> that money a phantasm. It is not the same as the money I keep in my
> >> >>> wallet or my bank account. "Intellectual Property" laws are hacks to
> >> >>> encourage people to write neat stuff. Once they start getting
> >> >>> _in_the_way_ of creating stuff, they're obviously a Bad Idea.
> >> >>> Confusing this putative "Intellectual Property" with real property
> >> >>> is
> >> >>> a sure way to misunderstand every moral and legal issue associated
> >> >>> with creative work.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The Original Ranter maybe said it best:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its
> >> >>> best
> >> >>> state is but a necessary evil in its worst state an intolerable one;
> >> >>> for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a
> >> >>> government, which we might expect in a country without government,
> >> >>> our
> >> >>> calamities is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by
> >> >>> which we suffer! Government, like dress, is the badge of lost
> >> >>> innocence; the palaces of kings are built on the ruins of the bowers
> >> >>> of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform, and
> >> >>> irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that not
> >> >>> being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his
> >> >>> property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this
> >> >>> he
> >> >>> is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case
> >> >>> advises him out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore,
> >> >>> security
> >> >>> being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably follows
> >> >>> that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us,
> >> >>> with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to all
> >> >>> others.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> (Tom Paine, 1776)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -- CHS
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jerald Sheets <questy at gmail.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>> On Mar 23, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Charles Shapiro wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> And YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> "Residential Vegetation Management Zone"
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> #!/jerald
> >> >>>> Linux User #183003
> >> >>>> Ubuntu User #32648
> >> >>>> Public GPG Key:  http://questy.org/js.asc
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> >> >>>> Version: 3.1
> >> >>>> GIT/MU d-@ s++(++)>+++:> a+ C++++(+++)$>++ UBLAVHSC++(on)$>++++
> >> >>>> P++(+++)$>++++ L++(++++)$>+++ !E---(---)>--- W+(++)$>+++ N(+)$>+
> >> >>>> + !o !K--
> >> >>>> w(--)>--- O()@> M++(++)$>++ V()>- PS+++()@>-- PE(++)@>+ Y+(+)@>+
> >> >>>> PGP++(++)$>+++ t+(++)@>+++ 5(+)@>+ X+(++)@>+++ R+(+)@>++ tv-(+)$>++
> >> >>>> b+++(++)$>++ DI++++(++)>+++ D++(++)@>++ G++(++)@>++ e++(++)$>++
> >> >>>> h(-)$>-
> >> >>>> r+++(+++)@>+++ y+(+++)>++++@
> >> >>>> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
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