[ale] just installed LibreOffice in Linux, should have been easier

Sun Mar 13 23:36:03 EDT 2011

Hi Pablo,

Thanks for the links.  I didn't know about that at the time I first 
installed LibreOffice on my first machine.  This makes it a lot easier.  
I think it was Don who provided this link:

http://www.ubuntugeek.com/libreoffice-gets-3-3-0-stable-version-released-ppa-installation-instructions-included.html

The procedures on there are very easy, and it automatically links into 
the proper version of Ubuntu.  The PPA concept definitely makes things 
much easier.

If there's anyone out there besides me who didn't know what that means, 
I found this.

https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA

Quote On --->

Using a Personal Package Archive (PPA), you can distribute software and 
updates directly to Ubuntu users. Create your source package, upload it 
and Launchpad will build binaries and then host them in your own apt 
repository.

That means Ubuntu users can install your packages in just the same way 
they install standard Ubuntu packages and they'll automatically receive 
updates as and when you make them.

Every individual and team in Launchpad can have one or more PPAs, each 
with its own URL.

Packages you publish in your PPA will remain there until you remove 
them, they're superseded by another package that you upload or the 
version of Ubuntu against which they're built becomes obsolete.

<--- Quote Off

So, I definitely like this methodology much better.

Sincerely,

Ron

On 03/13/2011 09:23 AM, Pablo Ordonez wrote:
> Hi there
>
> I'm in Ubuntu  Maverick
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> Here is the  ppa for Libre Office
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> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu maverick main
> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu maverick main
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> I was there three weeks after the creation of Libre Office Fundation.
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> Advantages:
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> Install Libre Office with one click
> Uninstall Open Office with the same click
> Finally, keeps you with the last version of libre office
>
> There is a ppa for any need in Ubuntu. :)
>
> My Top five list ppa
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> *Wacom tablet out of the box with the last driver.*
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> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/doctormo/wacom-plus/ubuntu  maverick  main
> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/doctormo/wacom-plus/ubuntu 
>  maverick  main
>
> *Mplayer last version " Nvidia aceleration":)*
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> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/motumedia/mplayer-daily/ubuntu  maverick main
> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/motumedia/mplayer-daily/ubuntu 
>  maverick main
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> *GIMP one window  :() Less clutter*
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> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/matthaeus123/mrw-gimp-svn/ubuntu maverick 
> main
> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/matthaeus123/mrw-gimp-svn/ubuntu 
> maverick main
>
> *Synapse a quick launcher that works with  zeitgeist engine** *
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> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/synapse-core/ppa/ubuntu  maverick main
> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/synapse-core/ppa/ubuntu  maverick main
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> *My favorite browser*
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> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/chromium-daily/ppa/ubuntu maverick main
> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/chromium-daily/ppa/ubuntu maverick main
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> Even though you become a tester with some of them, these releases  are 
> pretty stable  in my experience.
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> Enjoy
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> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Ron Frazier 
> <atllinuxenthinfo at c3energy.com <mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at c3energy.com>> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Don,
> >
> > See replies in line.
> >
> > On 03/11/2011 09:31 PM, Don Lachlan wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Ron Frazier
> > > <atllinuxenthinfo at c3energy.com 
> <mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at c3energy.com>>  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Steps to remove OpenOffice on Linux:
> > >> 01) Access the software center
> > >> 02) Select OpenOffice word processor and click remove.
> > >> 03) Select OpenOffice spreadsheet and click remove.
> > >> 04) Select OpenOffice database and click remove.
> > >> 05) Select OpenOffice presentation and click remove.
> > >> 06) And do the same for 1 or 2 more.
> > >> 07) Access Synaptic package manager.
> > >> 08) Search for openoffice.
> > >> 09) Filter by installed programs only.
> > >> 10) Manually select each of about a half dozen items and select 
> complete
> > >> removal and apply.
> > >>
> > > What are steps 1-6 for? AFAIK, you only need to remove the package in
> > > 7-10. Also, I don't think that steps 7-10 are cumbersome, especially
> > > since it is a single interface to search/install/uninstall, compared
> > > to three different UI on Windows. In your Windows checklist, you
> > >
> >
> > I went to the software center in hopes that I could remove just one
> > thing the way I did in the Windows control panel.  I found 5 or 6
> > things, and proceeded to remove them.  I was hoping I was done, but went
> > to Synaptic to find out.  I found still more openoffice entries, and
> > removed them.  Searching for openoffice in Synaptic initially led to a
> > large number of search results, and it would have been difficult to
> > highlight them all and select them for removal.  Also, it's difficult to
> > know if they should be removed, depending on how they are titled.
> >
> > > skipped two install steps:
> > >
> > > pre-01a) Search internet for software package
> > > pre-01b) Navigate to download page.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > True, but the same two items were required to do the Linux procedure.
> >
> > > Larger projects are usually easy to find and navigate, but lots of 
> them are not.
> > >
> > >
> > >> Steps to install LibreOffice on Linux:
> > >>
> > > Well, that is a cumbersome process. However, when I searched for
> > > "libreoffice install", the first result was for a method to install
> > > via APT (synaptic):
> > >
> > > 
> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/libreoffice-gets-3-3-0-stable-version-released-ppa-installation-instructions-included.html
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I wish I had known this at first.  I just went to libreoffice.org 
> <http://libreoffice.org> and
> > went to their download page and followed their instructions.  There was
> > no mention of this process whatsoever.  I didn't see any need to search
> > outside of the project's own site.
> >
> > >> Also, this should have been in the Ubuntu repositories, or 
> LibreOffice
> > >> should provide a repository of their own.  As far as I know, I
> > >> completely bypassed the Synaptic / Apt package manager.  So, does 
> anyone
> > >> know how I can get Synaptic / Apt to understand that his new 
> application
> > >> is there and auto update it?
> > >>
> > > There does appear to be a community Ubuntu repo for LibreOffice.
> > > Because of the popularity, it will probably be in the main Ubuntu
> > > 11.04 repo, when that is released.
> > >
> > > LibreOffice may not offer a repository, but it did package it for
> > > Ubuntu. From personal experience, packaging software for a dozen
> > > different Linux distributions (and each of their supported versions)
> > > is a MASSIVE task. If you're also expecting them to maintain an APT
> > > repository for Ubuntu (and a different repo for RHEL and SLES and
> > > Debian, etc.), I think that's an unfair expectation.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I don't really understand the difference between a repository and a
> > package.  However, I don't think point and click and go installs for the
> > top 5 Linux systems, with integration to that system's package manager,
> > is too much to ask.
> >
> > > Synaptic is just a front-end to APT, which is just an interface for
> > > dpkg; if you installed packages via dpkg, then Synaptic will see them.
> > > To upgrade the packages, Synaptic needs to access to a repository that
> > > has new packages - the link above will tell you how to add that.
> > >
> > >
> > I did use dpkg, as described in the installation instructions.  However,
> > I can find no evidence that LibreOffice is installed on my system,
> > either in Synaptic, nor in Software Center.  I even tried the first two
> > commands in the link you sent, to add the PPA and update the database.
> > Still nothing.  At this point, I'd like to get rid of the original
> > install, if possible.  and reinstall using the procedure you linked to.
> > I don't know how to do that.  I could just activate the new procedure
> > using APT, but then I might have two duplicate, possibly conflicting
> > installs of LibreOffice.  Help!?
> > > I think part of the issue here is one of expectations. Most GNU/Linux
> > > users install software in two ways: via their distribution's package
> > > manager and via tarball. Young projects often rely on tarballs but
> > > they get picked up by distributions as they mature. Right now, it's
> > > new.
> > >
> > >
> > I don't have a big problem with tarballs, kind of like a zip file.
> > However, I think I should be able to extract it, click on the result,
> > and the application should install and hook into the package manager for
> > auto updates and easy uninstalls.
> > > Also, we could code a menu option for "uninstall" for each package, or
> > > we could tell users "Go to your distribution's package manager and
> > > remove it there". The second option saves developer time and maintains
> > > a consistent UI for the user.
> > >
> > > -Lachlan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > As I mentioned above, it's very hard to install or uninstall something
> > like LibreOffice or Java, for example, from Synaptic.  Doing a search
> > will yield many lines and you don't know what to select.  Now, I
> > wouldn't want to get rid of Synaptic, since it is very useful.  However,
> > for something like this, I just want to go to software center, acquaint
> > it with a provider's website, if needed, click LibreOffice, and click
> > install, and have it all work.  If I want to uninstall it, I just want
> > to click that one app name, and click uninstall.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > --
> >
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> >
> > Ron Frazier
> >
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