[ale] [OT] for the space geeks on ALE

Wed Jun 8 16:17:35 EDT 2011

Jeff,
I do agree with you as regards the SS comments. On the rest, if you "like
the Post Office...." People are people and motivated by the same basically
the same "greed"  whether it lust for  money (business) or just lust for
power (govt).  Regardless of the evils of corporations/business, the one
thing they CANNOT do is take your money at the point of a gun which the
government does. I'd rather take my chances in the free market than in the
government controlled "single payer" system that we're headed towards.
GC

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Lightner, Jeff <JLightner at water.com> wrote:

>   I’m so over the FUD about the evils of the health care law.  Death
> panels?  We already have them – boards of people decide who is “worthy” of
> receiving transplants based on people’s lifestyles rather than their need
> for the organs.   Rationed health care?  We already have it – HMOs penalize
> doctors that don’t go by their generic “best practice” for determining what
> treatment you need and how long you need to stay in the hospital.   Luckily
> though these institutions are protected against being sued into oblivion for
> putting profits ahead of patient care by the laws that existed.
>
>
>
> In the mean time the scare tactics are used and ignore the evils the health
> care law got rid of such as pre-existing condition clauses and the practice
> of waiting until you made a major claim of going back and determining you
> aren’t eligible for the insurance due to BS history research after taking
> your money for years.
>
>
>
> The fact that what Obama had to spend for the last few years was to dig us
> out of the huge financial meltdown that began while Bush was still in office
> seems to escape people that like to pretend Obama is the anit-christ.   They
> also ignore the fact that the majority of the spending continues to be for
> defense (including the two wars started under Bush) and NOT for social
> programs as Republicans and Libertarians like to pretend.
>
>
>
> While I’m on the latter subject:  Social Security is not an “entitlement”
> as Republican pundits try to lump it in with welfare, food stamps and the
> like.  It is something we all pay into with the understanding that we get
> the money back later.  I for one don’t care if Warren Buffet gets a SS check
> so long as he paid into during his working year.   That was the deal that
> was made.   In my view SS is the only thing we ARE “entitled” to and lumping
> it in with government handout programs is an outright lie.
>
>
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> *From:* ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg
> Clifton
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2011 3:35 PM
> *To:* Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> *Subject:* Re: [ale] [OT] for the space geeks on ALE
>
>
>
> Aaron,
>
>
>
> Factually wrong on BOTH counts.
>
>
>
> 1) The constitution specifically and intentionally provides for the
> selection of our president via UN-democratic means (i.e. electoral college
> majority is what counts, NOT popular vote majority). EVERY recount of the
> votes showed that BUSH won the popular vote count in FL in spite of Gore's
> best efforts to steal it by selectively recounting ONLY democratic
> strongholds thus violating the equal protection clause of the constitution.
>
>
>
> 2) Bust screwed the pooch on the debt, for sure, but what he did in 8 years
> including the hit taken by the 911 attack while all air traffic was shut
> down for 2 weeks, Obama has doubled down on in only 2 years. Furthermore,
> Bush never abrogated contract law like Obama did when he took the stake in
> the auto companies from bond holders and gave them to the UAW. More likely
> with Obamanomics and his thugocracy, we more likely to have the nasty little
> cars that Eastern Europe used to drive around in than
> anything approaching either a rocket car or flying ca in another 8 years.
> And that's not to even mention government rationed health care and death
> panels.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 3:16 PM, arxaaron <arxaaron at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2011/06/08, at 12:40 , The Don Lachlan wrote:
>
> > On 06/08/2011 11:30 AM, Pete Hardie wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:23, Jim Kinney<jim.kinney at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> AND I want a monorail rig all over metro Atlanta. With beer taps
> >>> at every
> >>> station. All run by tiny Linux systems. With industrial roombas
> >>> cleaning
> >>> everything.
> >> And a rocket car - where's my rocket car?!
> >
> > In Al Gore's fictional presidency.
>
> That would be in Al Gore's STOLEN presidency.
> He did get the clear majority of the votes, after all.
>
> And if we didn't have the past ten years of fascist
> right wing rape of the American economy, we
> probably _could_ have rocket cars.
>
> peace
> aaron
>
>
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