Jeff,<div>I do agree with you as regards the SS comments. On the rest, if you "like the Post Office...." People are people and motivated by the same basically the same "greed" whether it lust for money (business) or just lust for power (govt). Regardless of the evils of corporations/business, the one thing they CANNOT do is take your money at the point of a gun which the government does. I'd rather take my chances in the free market than in the government controlled "single payer" system that we're headed towards. </div>
<div>GC<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Lightner, Jeff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:JLightner@water.com">JLightner@water.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue">
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I’m so over the FUD about the evils of
the health care law. Death panels? We already have them – boards of
people decide who is “worthy” of receiving transplants based on
people’s lifestyles rather than their need for the organs. Rationed
health care? We already have it – HMOs penalize doctors that don’t
go by their generic “best practice” for determining what treatment
you need and how long you need to stay in the hospital. Luckily though these institutions
are protected against being sued into oblivion for putting profits ahead of
patient care by the laws that existed.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">In the mean time the scare tactics are used
and ignore the evils the health care law got rid of such as pre-existing
condition clauses and the practice of waiting until you made a major claim of
going back and determining you aren’t eligible for the insurance due to
BS history research after taking your money for years.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The fact that what Obama had to spend for
the last few years was to dig us out of the huge financial meltdown that began
while Bush was still in office seems to escape people that like to pretend
Obama is the anit-christ. They also ignore the fact that the majority of the
spending continues to be for defense (including the two wars started under
Bush) and NOT for social programs as Republicans and Libertarians like to
pretend. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">While I’m on the latter subject:
Social Security is not an “entitlement” as Republican pundits try
to lump it in with welfare, food stamps and the like. It is something we all
pay into with the understanding that we get the money back later. I for one
don’t care if Warren Buffet gets a SS check so long as he paid into
during his working year. That was the deal that was made. In my view SS is
the only thing we ARE “entitled” to and lumping it in with government
handout programs is an outright lie.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<div>
<div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
<hr size="2" width="100%" align="center">
</span></font></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Greg Clifton<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, June 08, 2011
3:35 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [ale] [OT] for the
space geeks on ALE</span></font></p>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Aaron,</span></font></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Factually wrong on BOTH counts.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">1) The constitution specifically and intentionally provides for the
selection of our president via UN-democratic means (i.e. electoral college
majority is what counts, NOT popular vote majority). EVERY recount of the
votes showed that BUSH won the popular vote count in FL in spite of Gore's best
efforts to steal it by selectively recounting ONLY democratic strongholds thus
violating the equal protection clause of the constitution.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">2) Bust screwed the pooch on the debt, for sure, but what he did in 8
years including the hit taken by the 911 attack while all air traffic was shut
down for 2 weeks, Obama has doubled down on in only 2 years. Furthermore, Bush
never abrogated contract law like Obama did when he took the stake in the auto
companies from bond holders and gave them to the UAW. More likely with
Obamanomics and his thugocracy, we more likely to have the nasty little cars
that Eastern Europe used to drive around in than
anything approaching either a rocket car or flying ca in another 8
years. And that's not to even mention government rationed health care and death
panels.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 3:16 PM, arxaaron <<a href="mailto:arxaaron@gmail.com" target="_blank">arxaaron@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On 2011/06/08, at 12:40 ,
The Don Lachlan wrote:<br>
<br>
> On 06/08/2011 11:30 AM, Pete Hardie wrote:<br>
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:23, Jim Kinney<<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com" target="_blank">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>> AND I want a monorail rig all over metro Atlanta. With beer taps<br>
>>> at every<br>
>>> station. All run by tiny Linux systems. With industrial roombas<br>
>>> cleaning<br>
>>> everything.<br>
>> And a rocket car - where's my rocket car?!<br>
><br>
> In Al Gore's fictional presidency.</span></font></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">That would be in Al Gore's STOLEN presidency.<br>
He did get the clear majority of the votes, after all.<br>
<br>
And if we didn't have the past ten years of fascist<br>
right wing rape of the American economy, we<br>
probably _could_ have rocket cars.<br>
<br>
peace<br>
aaron</span></font></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Ale mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Ale@ale.org" target="_blank">Ale@ale.org</a><br>
<a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale" target="_blank">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale</a><br>
See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br>
<a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo" target="_blank">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo</a></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
</div></div></div>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<font face="Arial" size="2">Proud partner. Susan G. Komen for the Cure.</font>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<font face="Arial" color="green" size="1"><em>Please consider our environment before printing this e-mail or attachments.</em></font>
</div>
<div style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Courier New">
<font face="Arial" size="2">----------------------------------<br>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail may contain privileged or confidential information and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message in error, and delete it. Thank you.<br>
----------------------------------<br></font>
</div></div>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
Ale mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Ale@ale.org">Ale@ale.org</a><br>
<a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale" target="_blank">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale</a><br>
See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br>
<a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo" target="_blank">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br></div>