[ale] [EXTERNAL] Re: In case you missed it
Jim Kinney
jim.kinney at gmail.com
Thu Oct 15 07:41:29 EDT 2020
Never could feel a boost from the "turbo" pascal. It always just seemed be "unblown pascal".
On October 15, 2020 2:23:23 AM EDT, Steve Litt via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
>On my Kaypro 2x, I used Wordstar and Turbo Pascal 2.0.
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>SteveT
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>On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 13:43:12 -0400 (EDT)
>JEFFREY LIGHTNER via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
>
>> Prior to Wordperfect was Wordstar. Wordperfect was simpler to use.
>> Of course MS gave away Word to kill Wordperfect.
>>
>> One of the things Symphony did was it had a word processing mode and
>> I suspect Ami Pro was a derivation of that word processing
>> functionality.
>>
>>
>> > On 10/14/2020 1:22 PM Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I used Lotus Ami Pro word processor. One floppy. Worked like a
>> > champ.
>> >
>> > On October 14, 2020 11:28:05 AM EDT, JEFFREY LIGHTNER via Ale
>> > <ale at ale.org> wrote:
>> > > > Lotus 123 was the up and coming "killer app"
>> > > > for IBM PCs and had supplanted VisiCalc so I never used
>> > > > the latter. I did have a personal Adam Computer
>> > > > (Coleco's offering back in the day) which had Coleco
>> > > > Calc installed. It was woefully painful to use compare
>> > > > to 123 on PC compatibles.
>> > >
>> > > Lotus made Symphony as an extension of 123 (it had the
>> > > features of 123 plus others not in 123). In the late 80s I had a
>> > > boss bring SuperCalc in as he thought it was the greatest thing
>> > > since sliced bread. I used to kid him that it was actually a
>> > > communist plot to reduce America's technological superiority.
>:-)
>> > >
>> > > He told me once that there was nothing Lotus could do
>> > > that SuperCalc couldn't. I had him pull up the copy of Symphony
>> > > I'd installed on his PC then attach via serial to our UNIX based
>> > > Property Management System using its built in terminal emulator.
>> > > He admitted SuperCalc couldn't do that. - I didn't tell him 123
>> > > couldn't either. :-)
>> > >
>> > > There was another one around in those days I think from
>> > > Borland. It seemed to be OK as well but I never saw the need to
>> > > go away from Lotus until MS began giving Exel away. (Even then
>> > > I resisted but eventually corporate America killed Lotus.
>> > > Interestingly after that MS no longer saw the need to give away
>> > > office software.)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > > > On 10/09/2020 11:06 PM Jim Kinney
>> > > > > > via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I used sc on a slackware install.
>> > > >
>> > > > On October 9, 2020 10:51:08 PM EDT, James Taylor
>> > > > via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > However, now that I think of it, SuperCalc.
>> > > > >
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>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > James Taylor
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Ale
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ale at ale.org>
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10/9/2020 10:49
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > PM >>>
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>> > > > > dBase II on an Osborne.
>> > > > > Not a spreadsheet, but close enough for then.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > James Taylor
>> > > > > 678-697-9420
>> > > > > james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
>> > > > >
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>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott Plante
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Ale
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ale at ale.org>
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10/9/2020 2:19
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > PM >>>
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>> > > > > I had Visicalc on my TRS-80 Model 4! :-P
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:51 AM JEFFREY
>> > > > > LIGHTNER via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > I got my start doing
>> > > > > > > > > > spreadsheets in Lotus 123
>> > > > > > > > > > Version 1.A when I was in
>> > > > > > Accounting. One can do fairly
>> > > > > > sophisticated modeling and programming within spreadsheets
>> > > > > > but even I knew when to move to a database tool.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Paradox anyone? :D
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Back in the 80s if one submitted a hand
>> > > > > > written form with calculations on it, any errors were
>> > > > > > immediately pointed out by at least one recipient.. However
>> > > > > > as things moved to spreadsheets printed out people would
>> > > > > > assume they were completely correct because "computers
>> > > > > > don't make mistakes" and not notice very obvious issues
>> > > > > > caused by bad formulas or just bad input. GIGO is real.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On 10/07/2020 7:06 PM Jim Kinney via
>> > > > > > Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > BWAHAHAHA!!!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > crash....
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On October 7, 2020 3:17:31 PM EDT,
>> > > > > > DJ-Pfulio via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > But, but, but I can connect to the 5TB
>> > > > > > production Informix DB with Excel using an ODBC driver.
>> > > > > > That's completely awesome!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > What? You mean when I do that,
>> > > > > > production transaction rates drop 80%? No way! I don't
>> > > > > > believe you.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > /s
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On 10/7/20 2:33 PM, Beddingfield, Allen
>> > > > > > via Ale wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I've been fighting the "a spreadsheet
>> > > > > > is not a database, and Access is not much better" war for
>> > > > > > about 25 years.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > From: Ale
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > <ale-bounces at ale.org> on behalf of Pete
>> > > > > > Hardie via Ale <ale at ale.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 7,
>> > > > > > 2020 1:26 PM To: Jim Kinney; Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
>> > > > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ale] In case you missed it
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Once again, I repeat my frequent
>> > > > > > assertion that a spreadsheet is not a database, and your
>> > > > > > admin assistant probably does not have a CS/Programming
>> > > > > > degree
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 2:19 PM Jim
>> > > > > > Kinney via Ale <ale at ale.org<mailto:ale at ale.org>> wrote:
>> > > > > > Excel blew up in the faces of UK healthcare.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/05/excel_england_coronavirus_contact_error/
>> > > > > >
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