<html><head></head><body>Never could feel a boost from the "turbo" pascal. It always just seemed be "unblown pascal". <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On October 15, 2020 2:23:23 AM EDT, Steve Litt via Ale <ale@ale.org> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">On my Kaypro 2x, I used Wordstar and Turbo Pascal 2.0.<br><br>SteveT<br><br><br>On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 13:43:12 -0400 (EDT)<br>JEFFREY LIGHTNER via Ale <ale@ale.org> wrote:<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">Prior to Wordperfect was Wordstar. Wordperfect was simpler to use.<br>Of course MS gave away Word to kill Wordperfect.<br><br>One of the things Symphony did was it had a word processing mode and<br>I suspect Ami Pro was a derivation of that word processing<br>functionality.<br><br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> On 10/14/2020 1:22 PM Jim Kinney <jim.kinney@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br><br> I used Lotus Ami Pro word processor. One floppy. Worked like a<br>champ.<br><br> On October 14, 2020 11:28:05 AM EDT, JEFFREY LIGHTNER via Ale<br><ale@ale.org> wrote: <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;"> Lotus 123 was the up and coming "killer app"<br>for IBM PCs and had supplanted VisiCalc so I never used<br>the latter. I did have a personal Adam Computer<br>(Coleco's offering back in the day) which had Coleco<br>Calc installed. It was woefully painful to use compare<br>to 123 on PC compatibles. <br></blockquote><br> Lotus made Symphony as an extension of 123 (it had the<br>features of 123 plus others not in 123). In the late 80s I had a<br>boss bring SuperCalc in as he thought it was the greatest thing<br>since sliced bread. I used to kid him that it was actually a<br>communist plot to reduce America's technological superiority. :-)<br><br> He told me once that there was nothing Lotus could do<br>that SuperCalc couldn't. I had him pull up the copy of Symphony<br>I'd installed on his PC then attach via serial to our UNIX based<br>Property Management System using its built in terminal emulator.<br> He admitted SuperCalc couldn't do that. - I didn't tell him 123<br>couldn't either. :-)<br><br> There was another one around in those days I think from<br>Borland. It seemed to be OK as well but I never saw the need to<br>go away from Lotus until MS began giving Exel away. (Even then<br>I resisted but eventually corporate America killed Lotus.<br>Interestingly after that MS no longer saw the need to give away<br>office software.)<br><br><br><br> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> On 10/09/2020 11:06 PM Jim Kinney<br>via Ale <ale@ale.org> wrote: <br></blockquote></blockquote><br><br> I used sc on a slackware install.<br><br> On October 9, 2020 10:51:08 PM EDT, James Taylor<br>via Ale <ale@ale.org> wrote: <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> However, now that I think of it, SuperCalc. <br> <br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">James Taylor<br>via Ale<br><ale@ale.org><br>10/9/2020 10:49<br>PM >>> <br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><br></blockquote></blockquote><br></blockquote></blockquote><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> dBase II on an Osborne.<br> Not a spreadsheet, but close enough for then.<br> <br><br> James Taylor<br> 678-697-9420<br> james.taylor@eastcobbgroup.com<br><br><br><br> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">Scott Plante<br>via Ale<br><ale@ale.org><br>10/9/2020 2:19<br>PM >>> <br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><br></blockquote></blockquote><br></blockquote></blockquote><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> I had Visicalc on my TRS-80 Model 4! :-P<br><br> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:51 AM JEFFREY<br>LIGHTNER via Ale <ale@ale.org> wrote:<br><br> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">I got my start doing<br>spreadsheets in Lotus 123<br>Version 1.A when I was in <br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> Accounting. One can do fairly<br>sophisticated modeling and programming within spreadsheets<br>but even I knew when to move to a database tool.<br><br> Paradox anyone? :D<br><br> Back in the 80s if one submitted a hand<br>written form with calculations on it, any errors were<br>immediately pointed out by at least one recipient.. However<br>as things moved to spreadsheets printed out people would<br>assume they were completely correct because "computers<br>don't make mistakes" and not notice very obvious issues<br>caused by bad formulas or just bad input. GIGO is real.<br><br><br> On 10/07/2020 7:06 PM Jim Kinney via<br>Ale <ale@ale.org> wrote:<br><br><br> BWAHAHAHA!!!<br><br> crash....<br><br> On October 7, 2020 3:17:31 PM EDT,<br>DJ-Pfulio via Ale <ale@ale.org> wrote:<br><br> But, but, but I can connect to the 5TB<br>production Informix DB with Excel using an ODBC driver.<br>That's completely awesome!<br><br> What? You mean when I do that,<br>production transaction rates drop 80%? No way! I don't<br>believe you.<br><br> /s<br><br><br> On 10/7/20 2:33 PM, Beddingfield, Allen<br>via Ale wrote:<br><br> I've been fighting the "a spreadsheet<br>is not a database, and Access is not much better" war for<br>about 25 years.<br><br><br> From: Ale<br><br> <ale-bounces@ale.org> on behalf of Pete<br>Hardie via Ale <ale@ale.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 7,<br>2020 1:26 PM To: Jim Kinney; Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts<br>Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ale] In case you missed it<br><br> Once again, I repeat my frequent<br>assertion that a spreadsheet is not a database, and your<br>admin assistant probably does not have a CS/Programming<br>degree<br><br> On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 2:19 PM Jim<br>Kinney via Ale <ale@ale.org<mailto:ale@ale.org>> wrote:<br>Excel blew up in the faces of UK healthcare.<br><br><br> <a href="https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/05/excel_england_coronavirus_contact_error/">https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/05/excel_england_coronavirus_contact_error/</a><hr> Ale mailing list<br> Ale@ale.org<br> <a href="https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale">https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale</a><br> See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br> <a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo</a><br><br><br> --<br> Computers amplify human error<br> Super computers are really<br> cool_______________________________________________<br> Ale mailing list<br> Ale@ale.org<br> <a href="https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale">https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale</a><br> See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br> <a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo</a><hr> Ale mailing list<br> Ale@ale.org<br> <a href="https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale">https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale</a><br> See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br> <a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo</a><br><br> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><hr></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br> Ale mailing list<br> Ale@ale.org<br> <a href="https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale">https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale</a><br> See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br> <a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo</a><hr> Ale mailing list<br> Ale@ale.org<br> <a href="https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale">https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale</a><br> See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br> <a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo</a><br> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> --<br> Computers amplify human error<br> Super computers are really<br>cool_______________________________________________ Ale mailing<br>list Ale@ale.org<br> <a href="https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale">https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale</a><br> See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br> <a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo</a><br> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><br></blockquote></blockquote><br></blockquote></blockquote> --<br> Computers amplify human error<br> Super computers are really cool<br><br></blockquote></blockquote><hr>Ale mailing list<br>Ale@ale.org<br><a href="https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale">https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale</a><br>See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br><a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo</a><br></pre></blockquote></div><br>-- <br>Computers amplify human error<br>Super computers are really cool</body></html>