[ale] Fwd: Voting machines

Leam Hall leamhall at gmail.com
Tue Dec 15 20:41:02 EST 2020 

Concur.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 8:07 PM SpaXpert, Inc. via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
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> Well said Jim.
> Doug.
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jim Kinney via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
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>> There was a point in time years back when national politics bled into ALE. During that election cycle the membership plummeted as a few die hards would pound the keyboards and foment ire. It was unpleasant to watch, read, and eventually moderate with no mercy.
>>
>> I pay a stupid amount of money right now to keep the ale.org server online. I will TURN IT OFF if I see ANY discussion of any election that extends beyond how Linux systems could help or hinder voting. I hope everyone eligible to vote does so in a respectful manner so they can also get called up for jury duty.
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>> The feces can become ambulatory and reside elsewhere.
>>
>>
>> On December 15, 2020 8:38:36 AM EST, "Edward O. Holcroft via Ale" <ale at ale.org> wrote:
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>>> Delusional. Take your shit somewhere else.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 10:07 PM Bob Toxen via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
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>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 08:50:11PM -0500, Solomon Peachy wrote:
>>>> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 06:55:23PM -0500, Bob Toxen via Ale wrote:
>>>> > > This is done in Florida, where I voted for the first time in November.
>>>>
>>>> > I've been voting in FL since 2002, in four different counties.
>>>>
>>>> > > Each voter watches the counting machine process.  Maybe even have it
>>>> > > print out a receipt showing who was voted for the voter to take home.
>>>> > > Paper ballots should be kept by county for 1-5 years and are the official
>>>> > > record in case recount or audit.
>>>>
>>>> > Reciepts mean nothing; if the machine "lies" in what it counts then it
>>>> > can lie on the reciept too.
>>>> Good point.
>>>>
>>>> > Only the actual ballot matters.
>>>> Agreed.
>>>>
>>>> > > Each ballot is sequentially numbered with a digital signature on the
>>>> > > ballot that is verified by the scanner.  It is tracked which numbered
>>>> > > ballots went to each precinct and verified during scanning.  That numbered
>>>> > > ballot should be tracked at each point
>>>>
>>>> > I don't recall if there is a unique number printed on the actual ballot
>>>> > itself, but the ballot books are definitely numbered and tracked to the
>>>> > precinct.  Spoiled ballots are accounted for, and "used ballots" must
>>>> > equal "counted+spoiled ballots"; also the number of counted ballots must
>>>> > match the number of folks who checked into the precinct.  Once the
>>>> > ballot goes into the box, it cannot be removed by the local poll
>>>> > workers, and at every step where the ballots (and boxes) are handled,
>>>> > multiple observers are present.
>>>>
>>>> > > This prevents bogus ballots from being injected, which appears to have
>>>> > > happened in the November election.
>>>>
>>>> > [Citation needed]
>>>>
>>>> > > Obviously track when voter votes, either in person or by mail, to prevent
>>>> > > multiple voting.
>>>>
>>>> > This is already done.
>>>> Great.  Florida voting seems much more secure than Georgia!
>>>>
>>>> > > Of course check for a voter voting in multiple precents in a state
>>>>
>>>> > Registration in FL is statewide, and at time of voting your name is
>>>> > checked against the list of folks registered for that precinct.  Not on
>>>> > the list?  Provisional ballot for you, providing you show the required
>>>> > documentation showing you are legally allowed to vote in that precinct.
>>>> Good.
>>>>
>>>> > > Spot checking of paper ballots vs machine counts to detect flaky or
>>>> > > hacked scanners.
>>>>
>>>> > Already the case.
>>>> Good.
>>>>
>>>> > > Picture state or Federal government ID must be provided for registration
>>>> > > or in person voting or copy of same (or similar solution) for mail-in
>>>> > > ballots.  Much fraud here.
>>>>
>>>> > Already the case.  Oh, and [citation needed].
>>>> Yes, in Florida and Georgia for in person voting.
>>>>
>>>> > > Of course match the voter's voting signature (sign in at poll or outer
>>>> > > envelope if mail-in.)  Apparently LOTS of fraud here in November.
>>>>
>>>> > Already the case.  (FFS, the last two elections I had to re-sign my name
>>>> > multiple times to make the poll workers happy)
>>>> Not in Georgia.  Essentially zero signature matching.
>>>>
>>>> > Oh, and [citation needed].
>>>>
>>>> > > Claims of voter suppression here is a damn lie.
>>>>
>>>> > Once again, [citation needed].
>>>> I'll stop here as too far off this topic.
>>>>
>>>> > > Sadly massive voter fraud appears to have happened in November but not
>>>> > > due to hacked machines.
>>>>
>>>> > [citation needed] -- especially as there are now what, 50 court losses
>>>> > where they utterly failed to present *any* evidence of fraud, massive or
>>>> > otherwise?
>>>> Correction: judges refused to consider the cases and refused to look at any
>>>> of the massive evidence.  Why they refused to look, frankly, is a mystery
>>>> to me but again off topic.
>>>>
>>>> > (It's funny how being under oath causes one to change their story)
>>>> Yup.  Hundreds of affidavits affirming illegal ballot counting and
>>>> shocking video of very likely illegal fraudulent counting in
>>>> Fulton County, GA.
>>>>
>>>> > > Disagreements to /dev/null please.
>>>>
>>>> > In other words, where this drivel should have gone to begin with.
>>>> YMMV.
>>>>
>>>> > If you don't want to be called out, don't post BS in a public forum.
>>>> YMMV.
>>>>
>>>> >  - Solomon
>>>> > --
>>>> > Solomon Peachy                              pizza at shaftnet dot org (email&xmpp)
>>>> >                                       @pizza:shaftnet dot org   (matrix)
>>>> > High Springs, FL                      speachy (freenode)
>>>> Bob
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