[ale] Lower cost hosting for ALE
Jim Kinney
jim.kinney at gmail.com
Wed Dec 19 14:56:25 EST 2018
<sigh>
Simba,
There was a polite request to bring silence to the thread. Please
respect it and refrain from further posting for a while.
</sigh>
On Wed, 2018-12-19 at 14:50 -0500, Simba via Ale wrote:
> I hope that we move to a forum model, without writing a novel I
> thinkit's probably a better format. But I am "the new guy" so
> whatever :)
> Simba Lion - https://tailpuff.net
> https://keybase.io/simbalion
>
> "Why is a raven like a writing desk?"
> On 12/19/18 2:46 PM, Jim Kinney via Ale wrote:
> > AAAANNNDDDDD...
> > this thread is dead please.There's no further discussion required
> > oftimelines or anything else. It has been archived publicly for the
> > entireworld to see and laugh at.
> > "Oh look! ANOTHER mailing list goes up in smoke in 2018."
> > Should start seeing the unsubscribe notifications start up in the
> > nexthour.
> > :-(
> > On Wed, 2018-12-19 at 19:40 +0000, Lightner, Jeffrey via Ale wrote:
> > > Someone who I didn't name now takes umbrage at what I said which
> > > would seem to prove my point. There's an old saying: The
> > > guilty flee where none pursue.
> > > For the record I saw a reasonable discussion of shared hosting
> > > yesterday until at 11 AM when that "someone" suggested that
> > > posters were providing BS and stated the world was full of
> > > liars.
> > > At 11:30 AM that same "someone" directly contradicted a statement
> > > by another poster that he couldn't possibly know was either true
> > > or untrue because only that poster and DO would know. He again
> > > called it BS.
> > > At 11:32 AM in response to the second attack the other poster
> > > called him a shill. By that point I'll have to say I too though
> > > that "someone" was being way too aggressive and suspected the
> > > likely reason was a vested interest in DO.
> > > In my book that timing shows clearly what started the
> > > "flame". Until then it was just a discussion of different
> > > viewpoints. I didn't even think it was wrong to ask if user
> > > error was involved but once one starts throwing around terms like
> > > "BS" and "liars" it has gotten out of hand and that "someone"
> > > lost all credibility as it suggested an inability to make
> > > reasoned arguments.
> > > I've on occasion seen issues that no one else seems to have and
> > > I've also on occasion seen others complain of issues that I've
> > > not seen. However, in neither case do I immediately leap to the
> > > conclusion that others are lying or full of BS. Instead I
> > > assume they simply had different experiences than I or at worst
> > > one of us is mistaken.
> > > Since trolls can never admit when they're wrong I'll let that
> > > "someone" have the next (and hopefully) last post on the subject.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----From: Ale <ale-bounces at ale.org
> > > <mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org>
> > > > On Behalf Of Simba via Ale
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 2:10 PMTo: ale at ale.org
> > > <mailto:ale at ale.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [ale] Lower cost hosting for ALE
> > > Hardly, I have zero patience for BS, and it's my opinion that
> > > when the first statement made in a post is incitement the rest of
> > > the post be treated as junk.
> > > Such as when Mr. Carver called my a Shill, or when Mr. Lightner
> > > blamed me just now for starting a flame war.
> > > What actually happened is I challenged two individuals for their
> > > claims of mistreatment by a well-respected company not known for
> > > such things, and only one of them sort-of supported their claims,
> > > and the other immediately resorted to name-calling. And comparing
> > > my lack of patience to Mr. Torvald's history of abusive behavior
> > > is hardly fair, by the way.
> > > And furthermore, everyone is able to read the archive and judge
> > > for themselves so there is zero need to regurgitate any of it.
> > > Unless one is trying to re-ignite a fight. Which is a separate
> > > concern.
> > > However, I agree Leam did nothing wrong posting his question. And
> > > I believe he got some good answers.
> > > Simba Lion - https://tailpuff.net
> > >
> > > https://keybase.io/simbalion
> > >
> > >
> > > "Why is a raven like a writing desk?"
> > > On 12/19/18 2:04 PM, dev null zero two via Ale wrote:
> > > > *whoosh*
> > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 2:03 PM Simba via Ale <ale at ale.org
> > > > <mailto:ale at ale.org> <mailto:ale at ale.org
> > > > <mailto:ale at ale.org>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You're targeting me and I don't appreciate it. The man
> > > > called me a shill. I didn't start the fire. And you're
> > > > trying to throw fuel on it.
> > > > Simba Lion - https://tailpuff.net
> > > >
> > > > https://keybase.io/simbalion
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Why is a raven like a writing desk?"
> > > > On 12/19/18 2:02 PM, Lightner, Jeffrey via Ale wrote: >
> > > > Leam, asking a technical question is the point of this list so
> > > > you have nothing for which to apologize. > > The fact
> > > > that someone decided to attack both the people
> > > > that indicated they had had past problems with Digital Ocean
> > > > isn't even their fault. It is purely that of the attacker -
> > > > you don't get far by calling people liars. One of them did
> > > > respond by calling him a shill but that was a reaction to
> > > > the attacks in my opinion. I started to respond in that
> > > > thread but then realized I'd just be adding fuel to the
> > > > fire. Long ago I learned the best way to deal with
> > > > trollish behavior is to ignore the trolls. Such
> > > > attacks always make me suspect the attacker has a vested
> > > > interest in what he is defending and almost always make me
> > > > think less of the attacker than of those he is
> > > > attacking. > > By the way, we use DO here for one Joomla
> > > > page that is unimportant to our operation because Joomla is
> > > > regularly pinged as insecure by security scanners and there
> > > > was no need to have that on our main web servers. We've
> > > > never used Vultr and I don't have a strong opinion on
> > > > either. > > Every time I see a mini-flame war here I'm
> > > > reminded of the scene in the Godfather where Clemenza tells
> > > > Michael that mob wars must happen, every once in a while, to
> > > > clear the air. They're not quite as vicious as the ones
> > > > from years ago. > > I'm surprised to see suggestion of
> > > > splitting the list into a professional's list and another
> > > > again (though I applaud the cleverness of the pale-ale
> > > > name). Every time that has been suggested in the past it
> > > > seemed to just start another flame war. > > It was
> > > > interesting to me that a separate place was
> > > > apparently started as I don't recall that in the many years
> > > > I've been on this list. Either I missed it during a
> > > > vacation or it happened before I got here, or I wasn't
> > > > invited. > > It is amusing to see that the person that
> > > > first went personal in the shared hosting thread is now
> > > > suggesting they want to help with creating a separate list.
> > > > That seems to ignore what Jim wrote as to his reasoning for
> > > > raising the prospect again. > > -----Original Message--
> > > > --- > From: Ale <ale-bounces at ale.org
> > > > <mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org> <mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org
> > > > <mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org>
> > > > > > On
> > > > Behalf Of Leam Hall via Ale > Sent: Wednesday, December
> > > > 19, 2018 12:46 PM > To: Rich Roberts via Ale <ale at ale.org
> > > > <mailto:ale at ale.org> <mailto:ale at ale.org
> > > > <mailto:ale at ale.org>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ale] Lower cost hosting for ALE > >
> > > > On 12/19/18 12:41 PM, Rich Roberts via Ale wrote: >> I
> > > > believe this is the thread. *"Replacing shared host"* > >
> > > > Yes; it was pretty pathetic. Sadly, I started the thread; for
> > > > that you all have my deepest apologies. > > Leam >
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> > yougain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog
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James P. Kinney III
Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you
gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his
own tail. It won't fatten the dog.
- Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain
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