[ale] Systemd rants (was bow head)

Fri Sep 8 09:46:22 EDT 2017

Ok, I have to defend Unix, it not totally dead. Remember BSD was giving
away, we have openBSD, FreeBSD, and a few more.

I love FreeBSD, I love how a lot of security apps are built on. Like
pfSense, great firewall.

I think Vi vs Emacs fight is old. Emacs should just be re-label as a CLI
shell. I am surprised just has it come up like X when they start.

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 9:22 AM, DJ-Pfulio <DJPfulio at jdpfu.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the reminder for why I don't use either Emacs or Apache.
>
>
>
> On 09/08/2017 07:58 AM, Jim Kinney wrote:
> > UNIX is dead. Linux isn't UNIX. It's only UNIX-like.
> >
> > Emacs violates those rules. An editor that can read your email out loud
> > is rather crossing domains.
> >
> > Apache violates those rules. The proxy capabilities are beyond it's
> > initial web server domain.
> >
> > But at least systemd provides a topic other than vi vs emacs to squabble
> > over. That was getting old.
> >
> > Besides, systemd follows most of the rules that were listed about as
> > well as any other PID 1 process responsible for a current system startup.
> >
> > On September 8, 2017 7:28:45 AM EDT, Jerald Sheets <questy at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >     I avoid all the BS and just hate it for its design, layout, and
> >     intrusion into all sorts of things it shouldn’t be fiddling around
> >     in, breaking a myriad of tenets of the “UNIX way”.
> >
> >     The “UNIX Way” is to have a tool that does one thing, does it very
> >     well, has clearly defined input and output and doesn’t try to handle
> >     multiple responsibility domains.
> >
> >     "This is the Unix philosophy: Write programs that do one thing and
> >     do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to
> >     handle text streams, because that is a universal interface.” — Doug
> >     McIlroy, the inventor of UNIX pipes
> >
> >
> >     This is why grep doesn’t awk and vice-versa.  In case we’ve
> forgotten:
> >
> >     The Rule of Modularity:
> >     Write simple parts connected by clean interfaces.
> >     Rule of Clarity:
> >     Clarity is better than cleverness.
> >     Rule of Composition:
> >     Design programs to be connected with other programs.
> >     Rule of Separation:
> >     Separate policy from mechanism; separate interfaces from engines.
> >     Rule of Simplicity:
> >     Design for simplicity; add complexity only where you must.
> >     Rule of Parsimony:
> >     Write a big program only when it is clear by demonstration that
> >     nothing else will do.
> >     Rule of Transparency:
> >     Design for visibility to make inspection and debugging easier.
> >     Rule of Robustness:
> >     Robustness is the child of transparency and simplicity.
> >     Rule of Representation:
> >     Fold knowledge into data, so program logic can be stupid and robust.
> >     Rule of Least Surprise:
> >     In interface design, always do the least surprising thing.
> >     Rule of Silence:
> >     When a program has nothing surprising to say, it should say nothing.
> >     Rule of Repair:
> >     Repair what you can — but when you must fail, fail noisily and as
> >     soon as possible.
> >     Rule of Economy:
> >     Programmer time is expensive; conserve it in preference to machine
> time.
> >     Rule of Generation:
> >     Avoid hand-hacking; write programs to write programs when you can.
> >     Rule of Optimization:
> >     Prototype before polishing, Get it working before you optimize it.
> >     Rule of Diversity:
> >     Distrust all claims for one true way.
> >     Rule of Extensibility:
> >     Design for the future, because it will be here sooner than you think.
> >
> >
> >     I’ll stick with what has worked extremely well for almost 50 years.
> >
> >
> >
> >     —jms
> >
> >
> >>     On Sep 8, 2017, at 3:10 AM, Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com
> >>     <mailto:slitt at troubleshooters.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:29:46 +0000
> >>     "Lightner, Jeffrey" <JLightner at dsservices.com
> >>     <mailto:JLightner at dsservices.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>>     Caveman conversation:
> >>>     Ug:  What that?
> >>>     Zog:  Wheel.
> >>>     Ug:  Why wheel?  Drag work for years.
> >>>     Zog: More fast to use wheel.
> >>>     Ug: Wheel made by false god to trap draggers.  It bad.
> >>>     Ug then clubs Zog because Zog doesn't see the intrinsic "reason" of
> >>>     Ug's opinion.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     Move ahead 10,000 years:
> >>>     Ug:  What that?
> >>>     Zog:  Systemd.
> >>>     Ug: Why systemd.  Init work for years...
> >>>
>
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