[ale] [OT] Cell phones

Thu Aug 18 12:13:48 EDT 2016

Jobs sold sh*t to the stable boys. Ritchie built shovels.

On Thu, 2016-08-18 at 12:07 -0400, Charles Shapiro wrote:
> > > Heh. I never understood why Steve Jobs got such a beeg obit, but
Dennis Ritchie's death went pretty much unmourned except for
technical people.  
> -- CHS
> 
> 
> 
> > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
wrote:
> > <total snark mode rant>
> > > > > > > > > > apple is like a never ending proctology visit with a lot of lube
and very slim, tiny middle finger at first. At a later point when
it won't do what you want or they drop support for your hardware is
when you realize the proctologist has inserted both arms past the
elbow, 2 assistants and a small boat with oars.
> > 
> > > > > > Microsoft was blatant about their world domination plans. So is
Linus Torvalds. Apple sells a mix of heroin, crack, lsd and meth to
hipsters who don't want to think about what they are buying.
> > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux kicked the other *NIX systems until they died (AIX needs to
die). Linux kicked back at Microsoft until they had to capitulate
and back down. But Apple has managed to do the "embrace and extend
and extinguish" far better that Microsoft ever did. I often wonder
how wel the developers of FreeBSD sleep at night knowing that Apple
usurped their work, made billions, and won't support it. Google
does the same but at least they pay lip service to "giving back"
(GSoC and several notable kernel enhancements and many tools
they've made available).  Apple is open-sourcing some stuff (swift
most recently) but only to attract developers (away from android).
Apple did fight the decryption order but from a business standpoint
and not from a purely logical (all backdoors will get p0wned) and
ethical standpoint (users own their stuff, 5th amendment, etc). 
> > 
> > > > > > > > > > I am not a fan. I use Linux. I use Fedora and CentOS systems and
have for over a decade. I can do anything I want to. My hardware
belongs to ME. My software is vetted by people I trust (and know
some personally) and I can see all of it and participate in the
direction of the development. 
> > 
> > > > > > > > > > I've used GPL/FLOSS tools for 25+ years and can't understand why
anyone would want to use the lesser quality tools that only exist
to suck out information about the user for later resell and use the
funds from users to strip away rights from those same users until
the only thing a user is is a cash spigot.
> > 
> > </end rant mode>
> > 
> > > > > > OK. I feel better. Not attacking anyone's choice of tools as people
need a workflow they are comfortable with. Just really loath all
things apple. Even their logo is missing a byte.
> > 
> > On Thu, 2016-08-18 at 10:49 -0400, Ted W. wrote:
> > > > > > If you're considering switching your main system to a Mac,
there's more
> > > > > > incentive to be on iPhone than not. Even if you're on Linux, I
would
> > > > > > argue that the iPhone is a better all around device. I've been on
iPhone for
> > > 5 years now. My reasons are:
> > > 
> > >  * Better security OOB than an Android phone
> > > > > >  * Works better under Linux than any Android phone I've owned
previously
> > > > > >  * Better build quality than any Android phone I've owned
previously
> > > > > >  * Better battery life than any Android phone I've owned
previously
> > > 
> > > > > > I'm sure plenty of people with disagree with my points above but
after
> > > > > > using an iPhone and Android side-by-side for a year at my
previous
> > > > > > employer, that was my experience. When I left that company and it
came time
> > > > > > to replace the company provided phone, I stuck with Apple and
bought a
> > > > > > refurbished, unlocked, iPhone 6 off Ebay for the same price as a
new,
> > > unlocked, Nexus phone.
> > > 
> > > > > > I will add the caveat that my last experience with Android was
over 4
> > > years ago. I've heard thing have improved but have no first hand
> > > experience to speak from.
> > > 
> > > These are my $0.02,
> > > Ted
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 10:17:02AM -0400, Leam Hall wrote:
> > > > > > > > My current Galaxy S3 from Verizon hasn't been OS patched in a
while and has
> > > > > > > > been dropped more than once. A replacement might be good.
Looking at the
> > > > > > > > Verizon pages and doing the math, an unlocked S4 or S5 might be
a good deal.
> > > > > > > > I try to keep stuff until it dies and may do some overseas
travel.
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > Is the plan to buy my own and use it with Verizon feasible?
What other
> > > > > > > > things should I look at? The goal is an Android based phone
with a pretty
> > > > simple usage pattern; text, calls, web, and one 3rd party app.
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > On a different note, my wife wants me to move to Mac and
iPhone. I'm a
> > > > > > > > fledgling writer and most of the tools real writers use don't
work on
> > > > > > > > CentOS.  :(  So, is there a reason for Android, in that I'm not
at the level
> > > > of writing my own apps for it?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > 
> > > > Leam
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> > James P. Kinney III
> > 
> > > > Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What
you
> > > > gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on
his
> > own tail. It won't fatten the dog.
> > - Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain
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James P. Kinney III

Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you
gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his
own tail. It won't fatten the dog.
- Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain

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