<html><head></head><body><div>Jobs sold sh*t to the stable boys. Ritchie built shovels.</div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, 2016-08-18 at 12:07 -0400, Charles Shapiro wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Heh. I never understood why Steve Jobs got such a beeg obit, but Dennis Ritchie's death went pretty much unmourned except for technical people. <div><br></div><div>-- CHS</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Jim Kinney <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com" target="_blank">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><total snark mode rant></div><div><br></div><div>apple is like a never ending proctology visit with a lot of lube and very slim, tiny middle finger at first. At a later point when it won't do what you want or they drop support for your hardware is when you realize the proctologist has inserted both arms past the elbow, 2 assistants and a small boat with oars.</div><div><br></div><div>Microsoft was blatant about their world domination plans. So is Linus Torvalds. Apple sells a mix of heroin, crack, lsd and meth to hipsters who don't want to think about what they are buying.</div><div><br></div><div>Linux kicked the other *NIX systems until they died (AIX needs to die). Linux kicked back at Microsoft until they had to capitulate and back down. But Apple has managed to do the "embrace and extend and extinguish" far better that Microsoft ever did. I often wonder how wel the developers of FreeBSD sleep at night knowing that Apple usurped their work, made billions, and won't support it. Google does the same but at least they pay lip service to "giving back" (GSoC and several notable kernel enhancements and many tools they've made available). Apple is open-sourcing some stuff (swift most recently) but only to attract developers (away from android). Apple did fight the decryption order but from a business standpoint and not from a purely logical (all backdoors will get p0wned) and ethical standpoint (users own their stuff, 5th amendment, etc). </div><div><br></div><div>I am not a fan. I use Linux. I use Fedora and CentOS systems and have for over a decade. I can do anything I want to. My hardware belongs to ME. My software is vetted by people I trust (and know some personally) and I can see all of it and participate in the direction of the development. </div><div><br></div><div>I've used GPL/FLOSS tools for 25+ years and can't understand why anyone would want to use the lesser quality tools that only exist to suck out information about the user for later resell and use the funds from users to strip away rights from those same users until the only thing a user is is a cash spigot.</div><div><br></div><div></end rant mode></div><div><br></div><div>OK. I feel better. Not attacking anyone's choice of tools as people need a workflow they are comfortable with. Just really loath all things apple. Even their logo is missing a byte.</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div>On Thu, 2016-08-18 at 10:49 -0400, Ted W. wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><pre>If you're considering switching your main system to a Mac, there's more
incentive to be on iPhone than not. Even if you're on Linux, I would
argue that the iPhone is a better all around device. I've been on iPhone for
5 years now. My reasons are:
* Better security OOB than an Android phone
* Works better under Linux than any Android phone I've owned previously
* Better build quality than any Android phone I've owned previously
* Better battery life than any Android phone I've owned previously
I'm sure plenty of people with disagree with my points above but after
using an iPhone and Android side-by-side for a year at my previous
employer, that was my experience. When I left that company and it came time
to replace the company provided phone, I stuck with Apple and bought a
refurbished, unlocked, iPhone 6 off Ebay for the same price as a new,
unlocked, Nexus phone.
I will add the caveat that my last experience with Android was over 4
years ago. I've heard thing have improved but have no first hand
experience to speak from.
These are my $0.02,
Ted
On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 10:17:02AM -0400, Leam Hall wrote:
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My current Galaxy S3 from Verizon hasn't been OS patched in a while and has
been dropped more than once. A replacement might be good. Looking at the
Verizon pages and doing the math, an unlocked S4 or S5 might be a good deal.
I try to keep stuff until it dies and may do some overseas travel.
Is the plan to buy my own and use it with Verizon feasible? What other
things should I look at? The goal is an Android based phone with a pretty
simple usage pattern; text, calls, web, and one 3rd party app.
On a different note, my wife wants me to move to Mac and iPhone. I'm a
fledgling writer and most of the tools real writers use don't work on
CentOS. :( So, is there a reason for Android, in that I'm not at the level
of writing my own apps for it?
Thanks!
Leam
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