[ale] OT - Replacement Gate Remote

[Lightner, Jeff]

Curses, foiled again!

It says it doesn't ship to the U.S.



-----Original Message-----
From: Lightner, Jeff 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 10:08 AM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: RE: [ale] OT - Replacement Gate Remote

So in a "duh" moment it occurred to me to look for the other litigant, Skylink, and "cloning remote" which immediately took me to this page:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SKYLINK-Multilink-PD-318M-Cloning-Remote-Control-Replacement-318-MHz-Fob-/331187784095

 SKYLINK Multilink PD-318M Cloning Remote Control Replacement 318 MHz Fob

Based on what I read there it appears to be exactly what I wanted.


-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Lightner, Jeff
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:46 AM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] OT - Replacement Gate Remote

Thanks.

It appears after all my research that the "learning" is the opener "learning" the code preprogrammed into the remote rather than the remote learning a code from the opener's button so it wouldn't learn from an existing remote either.   So what I want is really "cloning" rather than "learning".

The interesting thing to me is I can find information from 2008 and earlier about what I was looking for but nothing current in U.S.  In the meantime I see multiple things like this in the U.K. but all on different frequencies than we use here. 

Part of my reading indicated the gate manufacturers were never happy about others copying their codes so I suspect maybe they used the DMCA to suppress such copying in the U.S.     However, the only case I could find about DMCA challenge was at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamberlain_Group,_Inc._v._Skylink_Technologies,_Inc.
It appears despite the fact Chamberlain lost they continue to pretend using other remotes is illegal as discussed in:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091217/0152127402.shtml

It may be the above litigation scared others into simply quit manufacturing cloning remotes as they didn't want the time and expense of defending against similar litigation.   

Interestingly the company that lost the lawsuit is the one that I saw the most hits for on looking for remotes and the one that you'll find on the shelves at Home Depot.   The author of the second article suggests he wouldn't buy Chamberlain now because of their DCMA failed suit and continued (unenforceable he says) warnings about DCMA and DRM violations in their user documentation.

By the way I did figure out the gate manufacturer and model as well as the maker of my existing remote.  I even found a place to buy exactly the same remote as I currently have.   However, none of this helps because I don't have access to make it "learn" the code from a new remote.

Only the Remocon looked like a possibility for U.S. use but its reviews suggest it is very hit or miss and customer service is such that you can't return it if it doesn't work.

I'm going to suggest to my neighbor she go ahead and pay the HOA to provide her one as they can do the "learn".


-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Raj Wurttemberg
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:35 PM
To: 'Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts'
Subject: Re: [ale] OT - Replacement Gate Remote

I just did the push button thing. I think I did actually have to know the manufacturer but setting it was trivial.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of 
> Lightner, Jeff
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:54 AM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [ale] OT - Replacement Gate Remote
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Did you program it from an existing remote or did you have to do the 
> motor button thing?
> 


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