[ale] Fwd: Donald Trump thinks he can call Bill Gates to "close up" the internet

DjPfulio DjPfulio at jdpfu.com
Thu Dec 10 13:41:38 EST 2015


By the time windows 3.1 came around os/2 had already lost the battle. Windows 3.0 wasn't slow on 4 mb of RAM.  OS/2, required 8 mb of RAM to run as well. At the time, 8 mb of RAM in a system added $650 to the cost. I know this because I paid it.
 
BTW, I was part of Team os/2 and an IBM subcontractor. Version 1.x of OS/2 wasn't a joke but it wasn't very useful either. Version 2 of OS/2 was solid but slow. Version 2.1 added a little speed but not enough. By warp v3, they made it able to install into 4 MB of RAM but it was still significantly slower than MS Windows on 4mb systems. With 8 megabytes of RAM warp was fantastic, but few pcs were shipping w/ 8mb ram.

Recall these were the days of 16 bit programs and os/2 was all 32 bit. For programmers, there is pain in changing from 16 bit to 32 bit to 64 bit.

By 1994 I already picked up  UNIX/ Linux but still ran OS/2 for a desktop. Os/2 was by far the best software development environment for MS DOS.

In August 1995, windows 95 truly did change the world, for pcs. I remember clearly the leap forward in user interface design, because we were a reference site where I worked. 

Should also say, that I dictated this reply through Android.

On 10 December 2015 12:12:48 GMT-05:00, Sean Kilpatrick <kilpatms at gmail.com> wrote:
>I think I can speak to this a little bit.
>
>I left Windows with 3.1 and ran to OS/2, which at the time was miles
>ahead, technically, of Windows.  I was still with OS/2 when I moved to
>Atlanta in 1998 and by that time the IBM OS actually had speech
>recognition working along with many other features that Windows kept
>advertising -- but not delivering.
>
>I left OS/2 for Linux when IBM basically ended support for OS/2.
>
>The main reason IBM could not compete with Bill Gates when offering an
>operating system for personal computers had nothing to do with the OS
>itself and EVERYTHING to do with corporate understanding of how to
>market to the personal computer market. Basically IBM marketers had no
>clue. They only understood Big Iron.  At every turn Microsoft clobbered
>IBM with advertising and paid shills.  Microsoft would wildly claim
>that
>new features were coming with the next release (features that OS/2 had
>offered for months if not years) and then not deliver as promised.
>
>I do not understand the charge that OS/2 required beefier equipment
>than
>Windows.  I NEVER owned a computer with the latest and greatest CPU and
>maximum memory and OS/2 ran just fine on the second or third rate
>equipment I could afford.
>
>Sean
>
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>On Thu, 2015-12-10 at 10:50 -0500, DjPfulio wrote:
>> But most people don't know these facts. To them, Bill Gates created
>the PC and Bill Gates created the Internet.
>> 
>> I believe Windows beat oS/2 because the hardware requirements for
>Windows were much lighter than those required for os/2.  
>> Don't forget that Windows was not popular until version 3.0 and os/2
>was not useful until version 2.1.
>> 
>> 
>> On 10 December 2015 09:31:22 GMT-05:00, "Lightner, Jeff"
><JLightner at dsservices.com> wrote:
>> >Bill didn’t “invent” anything including DOS or Windows.   He bought
>DOS
>> >from someone else to resell to IBM.   Windows was the result of IBM
>and
>> >Microsoft starting a project to do GUI to compete with Apple (who
>also
>> >didn’t invent GUI – Xerox did).   IBM and Microsoft had a parting of
>> >the ways with lawsuits and recriminations but the end results were
>IBM
>> >did OS/2 and MS did Windows.   Since Windows like DOS ran on
>multiple
>> >vendors’ PCs it took off better than OS/2.
>> >
>> >Maybe Bill would be a good candidate at that – for years people have
>> >said IE stands for Internet Exploder.  :-)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
>> >Brian Stanaland
>> >Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:06 AM
>> >To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
>> >Subject: Re: [ale] Fwd: Donald Trump thinks he can call Bill Gates
>to
>> >"close up" the internet
>> >
>> >Keep in mind that, for a lot of people, Bill invented computers.
>Their
>> >first (only?) computer experience is with Windows. Bill invented
>> >Windows. Ergo, Bill invented computers.
>> >
>> >On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Jeff Hubbs
>> ><jhubbslist at att.net<mailto:jhubbslist at att.net>> wrote:
>> >It's an odd choice on more than one level. Of the US' "tech titans,"
>> >isn't Gates the one who never quite "got" the Internet when he could
>> >have leveraged it the most?
>> >
>> >
>> >On 12/9/15 9:36 AM, Pete Hardie wrote:
>> >I chuckled at the mention of Gates as well.....
>> >
>> >On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Charles Shapiro
>> ><hooterpincher at gmail.com<mailto:hooterpincher at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >This made me laugh out loud.  Now I _have_ to vote for him.
>> >
>> >Donald Trump thinks he can call Bill Gates to "close up" the
>internet
>>
>>http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/7/9869308/donald-trump-close-up-the-internet-bill-gates
>> >
>> >
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