[ale] Fwd: Donald Trump thinks he can call Bill Gates to "close up" the internet

Thu Dec 10 13:17:17 EST 2015

All I know is that when I was testing preloaded OS/2 on the PS/2 systems we'd get in it seemed very clunky to me.  Luckily in those days we were buying the systems to install SCO UNIX.   (Yeah, I know, but back then SCO actually made their money by making an OS rather than by trying to sue everyone else).   I actually also had a box with Windows 2 on it back then but in those days it launched AFTER the DOS OS came up so I disabled Windows in the BAT file as it didn't seem to add much benefit.

I did later work with Andersen's Foundation architecture that used OS/2 workstations but only administered the Informix repository on HP-UX so didn't have to deal with OS/2 itself.   By then we had Windows for work group and it was the first time I ever worked on a Windows OS that didn't immediately make me turn it off.   (Later we got Caldera Linux desktops with Wabi so I could run a Linux desktop for most things and only pull up Windows apps required for that company.)

By the way, I never said anything MS did was technologically superior.  I said it got more traction.    As others have pointed out and I have in the past, Bill's main strength was in marketing not in technology.

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From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Sean Kilpatrick
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 12:13 PM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] Fwd: Donald Trump thinks he can call Bill Gates to "close up" the internet

I think I can speak to this a little bit.

I left Windows with 3.1 and ran to OS/2, which at the time was miles ahead, technically, of Windows.  I was still with OS/2 when I moved to Atlanta in 1998 and by that time the IBM OS actually had speech recognition working along with many other features that Windows kept advertising -- but not delivering.

I left OS/2 for Linux when IBM basically ended support for OS/2.

The main reason IBM could not compete with Bill Gates when offering an operating system for personal computers had nothing to do with the OS itself and EVERYTHING to do with corporate understanding of how to market to the personal computer market. Basically IBM marketers had no clue. They only understood Big Iron.  At every turn Microsoft clobbered IBM with advertising and paid shills.  Microsoft would wildly claim that new features were coming with the next release (features that OS/2 had offered for months if not years) and then not deliver as promised.

I do not understand the charge that OS/2 required beefier equipment than Windows.  I NEVER owned a computer with the latest and greatest CPU and maximum memory and OS/2 ran just fine on the second or third rate equipment I could afford.

Sean

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On Thu, 2015-12-10 at 10:50 -0500, DjPfulio wrote:
> But most people don't know these facts. To them, Bill Gates created the PC and Bill Gates created the Internet.
> 
> I believe Windows beat oS/2 because the hardware requirements for Windows were much lighter than those required for os/2.  
> Don't forget that Windows was not popular until version 3.0 and os/2 was not useful until version 2.1.
> 
> 
> On 10 December 2015 09:31:22 GMT-05:00, "Lightner, Jeff" <JLightner at dsservices.com> wrote:
> >Bill didn’t “invent” anything including DOS or Windows.   He bought DOS
> >from someone else to resell to IBM.   Windows was the result of IBM and
> >Microsoft starting a project to do GUI to compete with Apple (who also
> >didn’t invent GUI – Xerox did).   IBM and Microsoft had a parting of
> >the ways with lawsuits and recriminations but the end results were IBM
> >did OS/2 and MS did Windows.   Since Windows like DOS ran on multiple
> >vendors’ PCs it took off better than OS/2.
> >
> >Maybe Bill would be a good candidate at that – for years people have 
> >said IE stands for Internet Exploder.  :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of 
> >Brian Stanaland
> >Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:06 AM
> >To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> >Subject: Re: [ale] Fwd: Donald Trump thinks he can call Bill Gates to 
> >"close up" the internet
> >
> >Keep in mind that, for a lot of people, Bill invented computers. 
> >Their first (only?) computer experience is with Windows. Bill 
> >invented Windows. Ergo, Bill invented computers.
> >
> >On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Jeff Hubbs 
> ><jhubbslist at att.net<mailto:jhubbslist at att.net>> wrote:
> >It's an odd choice on more than one level. Of the US' "tech titans,"
> >isn't Gates the one who never quite "got" the Internet when he could 
> >have leveraged it the most?
> >
> >
> >On 12/9/15 9:36 AM, Pete Hardie wrote:
> >I chuckled at the mention of Gates as well.....
> >
> >On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Charles Shapiro 
> ><hooterpincher at gmail.com<mailto:hooterpincher at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >This made me laugh out loud.  Now I _have_ to vote for him.
> >
> >Donald Trump thinks he can call Bill Gates to "close up" the internet 
> >http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/7/9869308/donald-trump-close-up-the-i
> >nternet-bill-gates
> >
> >
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