[ale] systemd or not

Fri Sep 5 11:01:48 EDT 2014

Ah! It's to support Forward Secure Sealing of system logs. The verification
code is too much to write down so a QRcode is generated that facilitates
saving it to a smart phone. Slick idea. QRCode in a text terminal :-)

https://plus.google.com/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/g1E6AxVKtyc

On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:

> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-October/172163.html
>
> So systemctl can provide a qrcode that leads to a microhttpd server that
> provides more data that is easily displayed on screen. It's fully
> implemented yet so I'm really unsure if it's worth the effort to have the
> ability to pop-up a browser with JSON coded log files as part of
> diagnostics or not.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Michael H. Warfield <mhw at wittsend.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 09:50 -0400, Michael Trausch wrote:
>> > Will explain later---but you WANT systemd. Really. It's much, MUCH
>> > more efficient. And allows you to have a 4 package system,
>> > essentially. And makes a lot of sense to work with once you get to
>> > know it well.
>>
>> Really.  Look at the dependencies in systemd.  Especially this one:
>>
>> [mhw at canyon ~]$ rpm -qlR systemd | grep qr
>> libqrencode.so.3()(64bit)
>> [mhw at canyon ~]$
>>
>> Explain to me why in all of hades an init system needs QR codes?
>>
>> I discovered this in the process of working on trim downs in NST
>> (Network Security Toolkit) and found that a considerable amount of the
>> bloated fat getting in my way of shoehorning that back onto bootable
>> CD's was things like that.
>>
>> Joking with Serge Hallyn of the LXC project (which sadly considers me
>> the systemd expert) we were both wondering when Systemd would add a
>> "Minesweeper" component and make it mandatory.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> > > On Sep 5, 2014, at 8:30 AM, James Sumners <james.sumners at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I stopped using Arch Linux because they forced systemd on us (me). I'm
>> > > thoroughly disappointed that the next release of Debian is also
>> forcing a
>> > > move to it. But, really, they don't have an option:
>> > >
>> > > "In November 2012, the GNOME Project concluded that basic GNOME
>> > > functionality should not rely on systemd.[16]
>> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#cite_note-16> However, in
>> > > contradiction of this statement, GNOME 3.8 introduced a *de facto*
>> dependency
>> > > on systemd by introducing session management behaviors which depend
>> on how
>> > > systemd operates. While the developers of Gentoo Linux
>> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Linux>attempted to adapt these
>> changes
>> > > in OpenRC <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenRC>, the implementation
>> > > contained too many bugs, causing the distribution to mark systemd as a
>> > > dependency of GNOME." --
>> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#GNOME_integration
>> > >
>> > > So, a distribution either _doesn't_ include GNOME (no loss in my
>> opinion,
>> > > but people do like it), or it includes GNOME at the cost of also
>> having to
>> > > include systemd.
>> > >
>> > > What it comes down to is the developers of systemd. This package is
>> brought
>> > > to you by the same person who gave us the wonderfully useless and
>> awful
>> > > Pulse Audio system. And his cohorts routinely draw the ire of others:
>> > >
>> > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420
>> > > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935 (whole thing is
>> worth
>> > > reading for much enlightenment)
>> > >
>> > > So, we have a project run by people who like to force their software
>> onto
>> > > others by getting it included as a non-optional dependency who then
>> go on
>> > > to not give a damn about what their bugs break or whom they affect.
>> Now,
>> > > they want to take over the whole damn system --
>> > >
>> http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html
>> > >
>> > > I agree with the "systemd is a trojan" statement. I very much agree
>> with it.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Boris Borisov <bugyatl at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >>
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