<div dir="ltr">I stopped using Arch Linux because they forced systemd on us (me). I'm thoroughly disappointed that the next release of Debian is also forcing a move to it. But, really, they don't have an option:<div><br></div><div>"<span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px">In November 2012, the GNOME Project concluded that basic GNOME functionality should not rely on systemd.</span><sup id="cite_ref-16" class="" style="line-height:1;font-size:11px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#cite_note-16" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);white-space:nowrap;background:none">[16]</a></sup><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px"> However, in contradiction of this statement, GNOME 3.8 introduced a </span><i style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px">de facto</i><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px"> dependency on systemd by introducing session management behaviors which depend on how systemd operates. While the developers of </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Linux" title="Gentoo Linux" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px;background-image:none;background-repeat:initial">Gentoo Linux</a><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px">attempted to adapt these changes in </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenRC" title="OpenRC" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px;background-image:none;background-repeat:initial">OpenRC</a><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px">, the implementation contained too many bugs, causing the distribution to mark systemd as a dependency of GNOME.</span>" -- <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#GNOME_integration">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#GNOME_integration</a></div><div><br></div><div>So, a distribution either _doesn't_ include GNOME (no loss in my opinion, but people do like it), or it includes GNOME at the cost of also having to include systemd.</div><div><br></div><div>What it comes down to is the developers of systemd. This package is brought to you by the same person who gave us the wonderfully useless and awful Pulse Audio system. And his cohorts routinely draw the ire of others:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420">https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420</a><br></div><div><a href="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935</a> (whole thing is worth reading for much enlightenment)<br></div><div><br></div><div>So, we have a project run by people who like to force their software onto others by getting it included as a non-optional dependency who then go on to not give a damn about what their bugs break or whom they affect. Now, they want to take over the whole damn system -- <a href="http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html">http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>I agree with the "systemd is a trojan" statement. I very much agree with it.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Boris Borisov <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bugyatl@gmail.com" target="_blank">bugyatl@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><a href="http://www.technewsworld.com/story/80980.html" target="_blank">http://www.technewsworld.com/story/80980.html</a><br>
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