[ale] systemd or not

[Michael Trausch]

Will explain later---but you WANT systemd. Really. It's much, MUCH more efficient. And allows you to have a 4 package system, essentially. And makes a lot of sense to work with once you get to know it well. 

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> On Sep 5, 2014, at 8:30 AM, James Sumners <james.sumners at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I stopped using Arch Linux because they forced systemd on us (me). I'm
> thoroughly disappointed that the next release of Debian is also forcing a
> move to it. But, really, they don't have an option:
> 
> "In November 2012, the GNOME Project concluded that basic GNOME
> functionality should not rely on systemd.[16]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#cite_note-16> However, in
> contradiction of this statement, GNOME 3.8 introduced a *de facto* dependency
> on systemd by introducing session management behaviors which depend on how
> systemd operates. While the developers of Gentoo Linux
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Linux>attempted to adapt these changes
> in OpenRC <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenRC>, the implementation
> contained too many bugs, causing the distribution to mark systemd as a
> dependency of GNOME." --
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#GNOME_integration
> 
> So, a distribution either _doesn't_ include GNOME (no loss in my opinion,
> but people do like it), or it includes GNOME at the cost of also having to
> include systemd.
> 
> What it comes down to is the developers of systemd. This package is brought
> to you by the same person who gave us the wonderfully useless and awful
> Pulse Audio system. And his cohorts routinely draw the ire of others:
> 
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935 (whole thing is worth
> reading for much enlightenment)
> 
> So, we have a project run by people who like to force their software onto
> others by getting it included as a non-optional dependency who then go on
> to not give a damn about what their bugs break or whom they affect. Now,
> they want to take over the whole damn system --
> http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html
> 
> I agree with the "systemd is a trojan" statement. I very much agree with it.
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Boris Borisov <bugyatl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> http://www.technewsworld.com/story/80980.html
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