[ale] hard drive recorder and hdmi or component

Wed Nov 19 09:17:18 EST 2014

What interface this camcorder have .. I have an old DV camcorder with
Firewire and I think Firewire is typical for these cameras.

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Narahari 'n' Savitha <savithari at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Here is something that will help me.  I have a Canon camcorder that is
> tape based (dont ask why)  It is a HD camcorder with max at 1080i.  I have
> some recordings on it.  It has no copyright protection.  I would love to
> play from it and record it to a PC.  Except the 225 pounds solution, is
> there any solution that folks can think of ?
>
> -N
>
> On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:41 PM, JD <jdp at algoloma.com> wrote:
>
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>> http://www.magictv.com/hk/en/index.html
>>  The prices are HKD, so don't hvae a heart attack.
>>
>> It is a big world out there.
>>
>> On 11/09/2014 07:55 PM, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
>> > On Sun, 2014-11-09 at 13:31 -0800, Alex Carver wrote:
>> >> On 2014-11-09 12:39, Narahari 'n' Savitha wrote:
>> >>> Friends:
>> >>>
>> >>> Need your input on the following scenario.
>> >>>
>> >>> I need to be able to a Hard Drive (preferably a USB flash drive) from
>> a
>> >>> set top box.
>> >>>
>> >>> If it can accept HDMI input it is great.  If not, at least component
>> >>> video input is needed so I can connect my set top box.
>> >>>
>> >>> Where can I purchase a Hard Drive recorder without a PC coming into
>> >>> the middle ? What is it called (technical term) ?
>> >>>
>> >
>> >> You can't get HDMI recorders that will work with the copy protection
>> >> enabled on STBs or other similar content devices (except for cameras).
>> >> Your only option is to find a Digital Video Recorder (DVR) that accepts
>> >> composite or S-Video (I haven't seen any that accept RGB component
>> >> video).
>> >
>> >> Here's an example of an HDMI recorder that's meant for a camera:
>> >> http://www.atomos.com/ninja/
>> >
>> >> Copy protection on your STB will likely not allow it to record
>> anything.
>> >
>> > Actually, that's not totally true and for my uses very rarely true.
>> > Depending on your requirements and uses, I have found that very little
>> > coming from the STB's are copy protected.
>> >
>> > I have Uverse STBs and they all allow digital recording from HDMI and
>> > component video when the data is not protected.  If it's protected, then
>> > you have to have the appropriate HDMI device (like a TV and not another
>> > recorder) for HDMI and, if you're using component video, the component
>> > video is reduced to a lower resolution (what they call the "analog
>> hole").
>> > I'm currently using an Hauppauge HD PVR2 adapter to record 1080p
>> component
>> > video off my STB, so THAT can be done (but that's to a PC).  I have
>> checked
>> > the videos and the resulting files are true 1080p 60fps (meaning I
>> barely
>> > have the horse power to play them back).
>> >
>> > The only exceptions I've noted on AT&T are some of the high end premium
>> > channels (few of which we have) and the PPV access.  Those do seem to be
>> > locked down so you can't record HDMI and component is down-res (to
>> 720p...
>> > I think).
>> >
>> > Now that's WITH a PC.  I don't know of any standaone boxes which support
>> > this but, in theory, any component video record should work just fine.
>> HDMI
>> > is another story.  I agree that HDMI is highly unlikely to be available
>> on
>> > a stand alone device and record protected feeds.
>> >
>> > I haven't tried any of the HDMI PC interfaces yet.  There was a good one
>> > (the Black Magic devices) that had Linux support if you bought their PCI
>> > express board but they didn't have drivers for their USB device because
>> > Linux lacked USB3 bulk transfer (irrc) support in the kernel drivers,
>> but
>> > that was years ago.  That may have changed.
>> >
>> > This one claims full 1080p HDMI record and plug and play support in
>> > Linux...
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.ems-imaging.com/index.php/usb-3-0-video-capture/vc100dusb-hdmi-capture-dongle-usb3
>> >
>> >  But, again, that's with a PC and, I know, the OP said without a PC.
>> Quite
>> > frankly, I've had enough with black boxes and I see no real advantage
>> > there.
>> >
>> > I do also strongly suspect you will not find a "without a PC" device
>> that
>> > will do this as this would mean the vendor has to do all that work and
>> open
>> > themselves up to all the legal liability there-in.
>> >
>> > Just the interfaces alone ARE NOT CHEAP.
>> >
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