[ale] Debian fork thoughts?

[Beddingfield, Allen]

Gnome is really where the fork should happen...

Allen Beddingfield
Systems Engineer
The University of Alabama

On 12/1/14 1:40 PM, Jeremy T. Bouse wrote:
>
> Just don't run X11/Xorg and if you do, don't run a GNOME desktop 
> environment since the GNOME project is the one that requires systemd 
> PID 1 and was the catalyst for Debian moving to use systemd by default.
>
> On 01.12.2014 14:31, Beddingfield, Allen wrote:
>> To me, the system in Arch was the cleanest - until they switched to
>> systemd.  That does leave Slackware....
>>
>> Allen B.
>>
>> -- 
>> Allen Beddingfield
>> Systems Engineer
>> The University of Alabama
>> ________________________________
>> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [ale-bounces at ale.org] on behalf of Jim
>> Kinney [jim.kinney at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:28 PM
>> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!
>> Subject: Re: [ale] Debian fork thoughts?
>>
>>
>> Slackware?
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2014 1:46 PM, "leam hall"
>> <leamhall at gmail.com<mailto:leamhall at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Jeremy and Solomon,
>>
>> As a non-Debian person I appreciate your insights. I really would like
>> a cleaner OS but systemd is not my cup of tea.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Leam
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Jeremy T. Bouse
>> <jeremy.bouse at undergrid.net<mailto:jeremy.bouse at undergrid.net>> wrote:
>>> Brief disclaimer beforehand... I'm a Debian Developer and have been 
>>> part of
>>> the project since 2001.
>>>
>>> Now, that said, I'm not giving this "fork" any of my time based 
>>> solely on
>>> the behavior of the anti-systemd individuals that have, and still, 
>>> caused
>>> disruptions on the mailing lists, irc chat rooms and an other medium 
>>> they
>>> could. They have tried repeated to work against the established 
>>> methods to
>>> do things and when they couldn't pigeon-hole and force the results they
>>> wanted caused even more problems. Finally they have decided to fork the
>>> project which as someone else already pointed out is going to be a
>>> derivative that is almost 99% original to upstream just simply 
>>> stripping out
>>> the entire systemd system which already can be removed and use SysV 
>>> init
>>> with a shim for systemd that allows those aspects that have hard-coded
>>> dependencies on systemd (namely GNOME comes to mind as the biggest 
>>> reason
>>> requiring systemd).
>>>
>>> If they could have found a better way to argue their point I might 
>>> give what
>>> they have to say some bearing but they have been unable to do so and I
>>> highly doubt they ever will. I expect this forked derivative to be very
>>> volatile and as an IT professional wouldn't use it for anything more 
>>> than a
>>> throw away virtual machine if I did look at it.
>>>
>>> On 01.12.2014 12:23, leam hall wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You've probably seen the news that Debian has forked. I'm interested
>>>> in a much smaller OS that works. Would love to hear your perspectives
>>>> on this. It seems like a Good Thing (tm).
>>>>
>>>> Leam
>>>
>
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