[ale] Debian fork thoughts?

[Jeremy T. Bouse]

Just don't run X11/Xorg and if you do, don't run a GNOME desktop 
environment since the GNOME project is the one that requires systemd PID 
1 and was the catalyst for Debian moving to use systemd by default.

On 01.12.2014 14:31, Beddingfield, Allen wrote:
> To me, the system in Arch was the cleanest - until they switched to
> systemd.  That does leave Slackware....
>
> Allen B.
>
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> Allen Beddingfield
> Systems Engineer
> The University of Alabama
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> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [ale-bounces at ale.org] on behalf of Jim
> Kinney [jim.kinney at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:28 PM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!
> Subject: Re: [ale] Debian fork thoughts?
>
>
> Slackware?
>
> On Dec 1, 2014 1:46 PM, "leam hall"
> <leamhall at gmail.com<mailto:leamhall at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Jeremy and Solomon,
>
> As a non-Debian person I appreciate your insights. I really would 
> like
> a cleaner OS but systemd is not my cup of tea.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Leam
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Jeremy T. Bouse
> <jeremy.bouse at undergrid.net<mailto:jeremy.bouse at undergrid.net>> 
> wrote:
>> Brief disclaimer beforehand... I'm a Debian Developer and have been 
>> part of
>> the project since 2001.
>>
>> Now, that said, I'm not giving this "fork" any of my time based 
>> solely on
>> the behavior of the anti-systemd individuals that have, and still, 
>> caused
>> disruptions on the mailing lists, irc chat rooms and an other medium 
>> they
>> could. They have tried repeated to work against the established 
>> methods to
>> do things and when they couldn't pigeon-hole and force the results 
>> they
>> wanted caused even more problems. Finally they have decided to fork 
>> the
>> project which as someone else already pointed out is going to be a
>> derivative that is almost 99% original to upstream just simply 
>> stripping out
>> the entire systemd system which already can be removed and use SysV 
>> init
>> with a shim for systemd that allows those aspects that have 
>> hard-coded
>> dependencies on systemd (namely GNOME comes to mind as the biggest 
>> reason
>> requiring systemd).
>>
>> If they could have found a better way to argue their point I might 
>> give what
>> they have to say some bearing but they have been unable to do so and 
>> I
>> highly doubt they ever will. I expect this forked derivative to be 
>> very
>> volatile and as an IT professional wouldn't use it for anything more 
>> than a
>> throw away virtual machine if I did look at it.
>>
>> On 01.12.2014 12:23, leam hall wrote:
>>>
>>> You've probably seen the news that Debian has forked. I'm 
>>> interested
>>> in a much smaller OS that works. Would love to hear your 
>>> perspectives
>>> on this. It seems like a Good Thing (tm).
>>>
>>> Leam
>>