[ale] Fedora grousing

Wed Oct 23 09:29:25 EDT 2013

Fedora is branching into it's own beast and losing any relevance to those
of us who like Red Hat. With the LTS option, Ubuntu is making itself worth
a look. From what I can tell, a lot of web based startups are preferring
Ubuntu to CentOS/RHEL. No one seems to like Fedora.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Chuck Payne <terrorpup at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Last year at SELF, i corner the guy that created the installer and
> told him what a piece of shite it it. I was told under no term it
> would change, that I wanted to custom my install to use kick start.
> When I try to explain that mom and dad that want to try to install
> Linux don't have kickstart.
>
> When I point out that try to just find the partition tool was a
> nightmare. I was told I being unreasonable, I asked how, not every one
> wants their hard drive wiped and replaced, and that just maybe, I like
> to set my sizes. I was told that this is the future. We talked until
> this person got so mad that he walked away. I was pissed (sorry), the
> guys at the fedora table told to file a bug that might help.
>
> I didn't like the move move from bin and sbin to /usr/ that I can't
> create a separate /usr partition any more.
>
> Anyway, I am just sadden the direction they are going too.
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:16 AM, James Sumners <james.sumners at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Oh look, someone else that doesn't like the F18 installer --
> > https://plus.google.com/u/0/102150693225130002912/posts/GqUgcYcfQuV
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Chuck et al,
> >>
> >> As a   l o n g   time red hat then fedora user, I thought the new
> installer
> >> in fedora 18 was bad implementation of a decent but unpolished idea.
> >> I think philosophically the idea is to make it so a total newbie could
> get a
> >> working install. But it was done at the expense of all the experienced
> >> users.
> >> The partitioning tool is nearly useless. It allows ZERO control over
> mdraid
> >> partitions. It's really only useful for making a simple desktop.
> >> The package selection is crippled as well. Again simplicity trumps
> >> functionality.
> >> I suspect RHEL will fork anaconda out of need.
> >> Kickstart is a great tool but it's for very advanced users not just
> average
> >> users or even many pro admins will find it in their bag of tricks. Add
> to it
> >> the commands change a bit with every release and it's a recipe for
> rollout
> >> headaches. And it's got bugs. The command clearpart --all doesn't
> support
> >> the --ondisk= flag so it only wipes sda. That fails for a 4 disk box
> being
> >> repurposed! I had to manually zero out partition tables on all drives
> before
> >> pxe booting kickstart of F19. And the current anaconda only understands
> raid
> >> 1 with 2 partitions. A 3 or 4 will lock it up (spits dots on the screen
> and
> >> hangs).
> >>
> >> Sadly, it looks like Fedora is taking the path of decreasing
> flexibility to
> >> increase ease of use without providing a means to support the familiar
> >> extensive customizations. If it's an attempt to gain users by lowering
> the
> >> bar for user skill, I strongly disagree. Winders and sMac are perfect
> for
> >> the clueless masses. I don't want throngs of mentally lazy newbies using
> >> sophisticated and dangerously powerful tools like Linux. Granted, Fedora
> >> ships with all services off and selinux on full enforcing so it's quite
> >> secure. But for noobs, that security is hidden from view and thus more
> >> computer magic.
> >> </rant>
> >>
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