<div dir="ltr">Fedora is branching into it's own beast and losing any relevance to those of us who like Red Hat. With the LTS option, Ubuntu is making itself worth a look. From what I can tell, a lot of web based startups are preferring Ubuntu to CentOS/RHEL. No one seems to like Fedora.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Chuck Payne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:terrorpup@gmail.com" target="_blank">terrorpup@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jim,<br>
<br>
Last year at SELF, i corner the guy that created the installer and<br>
told him what a piece of shite it it. I was told under no term it<br>
would change, that I wanted to custom my install to use kick start.<br>
When I try to explain that mom and dad that want to try to install<br>
Linux don't have kickstart.<br>
<br>
When I point out that try to just find the partition tool was a<br>
nightmare. I was told I being unreasonable, I asked how, not every one<br>
wants their hard drive wiped and replaced, and that just maybe, I like<br>
to set my sizes. I was told that this is the future. We talked until<br>
this person got so mad that he walked away. I was pissed (sorry), the<br>
guys at the fedora table told to file a bug that might help.<br>
<br>
I didn't like the move move from bin and sbin to /usr/ that I can't<br>
create a separate /usr partition any more.<br>
<br>
Anyway, I am just sadden the direction they are going too.<br>
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On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:16 AM, James Sumners <<a href="mailto:james.sumners@gmail.com">james.sumners@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Oh look, someone else that doesn't like the F18 installer --<br>
> <a href="https://plus.google.com/u/0/102150693225130002912/posts/GqUgcYcfQuV" target="_blank">https://plus.google.com/u/0/102150693225130002912/posts/GqUgcYcfQuV</a><br>
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> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Jim Kinney <<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Chuck et al,<br>
>><br>
>> As a l o n g time red hat then fedora user, I thought the new installer<br>
>> in fedora 18 was bad implementation of a decent but unpolished idea.<br>
>> I think philosophically the idea is to make it so a total newbie could get a<br>
>> working install. But it was done at the expense of all the experienced<br>
>> users.<br>
>> The partitioning tool is nearly useless. It allows ZERO control over mdraid<br>
>> partitions. It's really only useful for making a simple desktop.<br>
>> The package selection is crippled as well. Again simplicity trumps<br>
>> functionality.<br>
>> I suspect RHEL will fork anaconda out of need.<br>
>> Kickstart is a great tool but it's for very advanced users not just average<br>
>> users or even many pro admins will find it in their bag of tricks. Add to it<br>
>> the commands change a bit with every release and it's a recipe for rollout<br>
>> headaches. And it's got bugs. The command clearpart --all doesn't support<br>
>> the --ondisk= flag so it only wipes sda. That fails for a 4 disk box being<br>
>> repurposed! I had to manually zero out partition tables on all drives before<br>
>> pxe booting kickstart of F19. And the current anaconda only understands raid<br>
>> 1 with 2 partitions. A 3 or 4 will lock it up (spits dots on the screen and<br>
>> hangs).<br>
>><br>
>> Sadly, it looks like Fedora is taking the path of decreasing flexibility to<br>
>> increase ease of use without providing a means to support the familiar<br>
>> extensive customizations. If it's an attempt to gain users by lowering the<br>
>> bar for user skill, I strongly disagree. Winders and sMac are perfect for<br>
>> the clueless masses. I don't want throngs of mentally lazy newbies using<br>
>> sophisticated and dangerously powerful tools like Linux. Granted, Fedora<br>
>> ships with all services off and selinux on full enforcing so it's quite<br>
>> secure. But for noobs, that security is hidden from view and thus more<br>
>> computer magic.<br>
>> </rant><br>
>><br>
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