[ale] Monitoring (Was "Todays trends")

Fri Oct 11 12:15:00 EDT 2013

Well, we're both kind of right--depending on certain factors. The max is actually 120 years in some circumstances, apparently. 
http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-duration.html 
Scott 

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From: "Tim Watts" <tim at cliftonfarm.org> 
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:54:06 PM 
Subject: Re: [ale] Monitoring (Was "Todays trends") 

Actually, I think it's 70 years in the US -- which is still wildly 
unreasonable. 

I saw a picture somewhere a few years ago of the Sonny Bono Memorial 
Park -- he's the hack who extended copyright on behalf of his 
paymasters, er constituents. Fittingly enough, it's a tiny little park 
completely enclosed by an iron fence with a locked gate. Nobody can 
enter it without permission. 

On Wed, 2013-10-09 at 20:33 -0500, John Heim wrote: 
> It's 95 years after the death of the author. His/her heirs get to 
> retain the copyright for like forever. 
> 
> On 10/09/2013 04:40 PM, Scott Plante wrote: 
> 
> > They just bump up the limit whenever early Mickey Mouse copyrights 
> > get close to expiring. I believe they're at 95 years now, which is 
> > more than long enough to take care of the authors/creators for their 
> > lifetimes assuming they're not small children when they create the 
> > copyrighted works. 
> > 
> > Scott 
> > 
> > Sent from my tablet. 
> > 
> > On Oct 9, 2013, at 5:28 PM, "Lightner, Jeff" <JLightner at water.com> 
> > wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > > I recall the Ballantine Books copy I had back in the 70s contained 
> > > a blurb on the back written by JRR saying something along the 
> > > lines of “Those who approve of courtesy (to a living author at 
> > > least) should by this version and no other.” Which always made me 
> > > think someone else was publishing his books because he’d let the 
> > > copyright lapse. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I have heard discussion that Copyrights in Europe are far longer 
> > > than the US and we’re getting the longer Copyrights for some 
> > > things to be more congruent with them. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf 
> > > Of Jim Kinney 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 5:05 PM 
> > > To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts 
> > > Subject: Re: [ale] Monitoring (Was "Todays trends") 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Excellent! That is what I am looking for. did not know the 
> > > history. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The tolkien family is a bit nutty. Shouldn't that book series be 
> > > out of copyright by now? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Chris Ricker 
> > > <chris.ricker at gmail.com> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Xymon (previously hobbit) is the open source replacement / 
> > > successor to Big Brother. http://xymon.sourceforge.net/ 
> > > 
> > > It started out as a patch addon to speed up BB, back in the days 
> > > when BB was not quite free software but did provide source code. 
> > > After Quest closed the BB source (even for paid licensees such as 
> > > yours truly who were running it on hardware they refused to 
> > > provide binaries for --way to honor that license, Quest!) hobbit 
> > > evolved into its own thing and most of the developer community 
> > > around BB went with it. Then the Tolkien family came after it, so 
> > > now it's Xymon.... 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 10/9/13 1:42 PM, Jim Kinney wrote: 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > http://communities.quest.com/community/big-brother?view=overview#/?tagSet=1217 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Looks like BB is $0. It is certainly NOT open source. 
> > > compiled binaries for many platforms. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jim Kinney 
> > > <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Big Brother's background color was a simple and brilliant 
> > > way to show overall health. Big Sister, the FLOSS BB 
> > > rewrite, never managed to hit critical mass but made it to 
> > > a 1.0+ release in 2006. BB is still around after being 
> > > acquired by Quest (and now Dell has Quest it appears?) but 
> > > is no longer "free". It never was FLOSS. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Nagios configuration is convoluted. Don't like it. 
> > > _REALLY_ want some solid logic to add besides time and 
> > > pester-me counts. If this AND this but NOT this then flag 
> > > once and don't page until this followed by this however if 
> > > this AND this AND this page NOW (yeah - good luck with 
> > > that). 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I been a consumer of Zabbix and found it a better layout 
> > > that nagios. An install of zabbix is soon in my future. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Jerald Sheets 
> > > <questy at gmail.com> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:45 AM, "Lightner, Jeff" 
> > > <JLightner at water.com> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > So the issue wasn't Nagios - it was the folks managing 
> > > it. 
> > > > 
> > > > Nagios is a great tool and we use it in Production. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I'll bite. Nobody better to discuss with than the ALE 
> > > family… 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > So, I hate Nagios. Can't express how much I dislike the 
> > > product, the layout of the alerting, the lack of a 
> > > comprehensive, easy to see and understand dashboard with 
> > > easily managed/administered acknowledgements, mobile 
> > > accessibility, automation, escalation paging… you name it. 
> > > 
> > > Now, before you freak out, I know it's all in there, but I 
> > > personally find it markedly difficult to find all this 
> > > stuff in the way Nagios has decided to lay everything out. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Is this just a "me" thing? Is it because my earliest and 
> > > most often used monitoring stuff is from a "Big Brother" 
> > > background? (BB, Hobbit, Xymon, Foglight, Spotlight) 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > What's the general landscape of monitoring tools and 
> > > utilities in use out there? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --Jerald 
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