<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="3">Well, we're both kind of right--depending on certain factors. The max is actually 120 years in some circumstances, apparently.</font><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><a href="http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-duration.html">http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-duration.html</a></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Scott</font><br><br><br><hr id="zwchr" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none;"><b>From: </b>"Tim Watts" <tim@cliftonfarm.org><br><b>To: </b>"Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale@ale.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:54:06 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [ale] Monitoring (Was "Todays trends")<br><br>Actually, I think it's 70 years in the US -- which is still wildly<br>unreasonable.<br><br>I saw a picture somewhere a few years ago of the Sonny Bono Memorial<br>Park -- he's the hack who extended copyright on behalf of his<br>paymasters, er constituents. Fittingly enough, it's a tiny little park<br>completely enclosed by an iron fence with a locked gate. Nobody can<br>enter it without permission.<br><br><br>On Wed, 2013-10-09 at 20:33 -0500, John Heim wrote:<br>> It's 95 years after the death of the author. His/her heirs get to<br>> retain the copyright for like forever. <br>> <br>> On 10/09/2013 04:40 PM, Scott Plante wrote:<br>> <br>> > They just bump up the limit whenever early Mickey Mouse copyrights<br>> > get close to expiring. I believe they're at 95 years now, which is<br>> > more than long enough to take care of the authors/creators for their<br>> > lifetimes assuming they're not small children when they create the<br>> > copyrighted works. <br>> > <br>> > Scott<br>> > <br>> > Sent from my tablet. <br>> > <br>> > On Oct 9, 2013, at 5:28 PM, "Lightner, Jeff" <JLightner@water.com><br>> > wrote:<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > > I recall the Ballantine Books copy I had back in the 70s contained<br>> > > a blurb on the back written by JRR saying something along the<br>> > > lines of “Those who approve of courtesy (to a living author at<br>> > > least) should by this version and no other.” Which always made me<br>> > > think someone else was publishing his books because he’d let the<br>> > > copyright lapse.<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > I have heard discussion that Copyrights in Europe are far longer<br>> > > than the US and we’re getting the longer Copyrights for some<br>> > > things to be more congruent with them.<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > From: ale-bounces@ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org] On Behalf<br>> > > Of Jim Kinney<br>> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 5:05 PM<br>> > > To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts<br>> > > Subject: Re: [ale] Monitoring (Was "Todays trends")<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > Excellent! That is what I am looking for. did not know the<br>> > > history.<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > The tolkien family is a bit nutty. Shouldn't that book series be<br>> > > out of copyright by now?<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Chris Ricker<br>> > > <chris.ricker@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> > > <br>> > > Xymon (previously hobbit) is the open source replacement /<br>> > > successor to Big Brother. http://xymon.sourceforge.net/<br>> > > <br>> > > It started out as a patch addon to speed up BB, back in the days<br>> > > when BB was not quite free software but did provide source code.<br>> > > After Quest closed the BB source (even for paid licensees such as<br>> > > yours truly who were running it on hardware they refused to<br>> > > provide binaries for --way to honor that license, Quest!) hobbit<br>> > > evolved into its own thing and most of the developer community<br>> > > around BB went with it. Then the Tolkien family came after it, so<br>> > > now it's Xymon....<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > On 10/9/13 1:42 PM, Jim Kinney wrote:<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > http://communities.quest.com/community/big-brother?view=overview#/?tagSet=1217<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > Looks like BB is $0. It is certainly NOT open source.<br>> > > compiled binaries for many platforms.<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jim Kinney<br>> > > <jim.kinney@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> > > <br>> > > Big Brother's background color was a simple and brilliant<br>> > > way to show overall health. Big Sister, the FLOSS BB<br>> > > rewrite, never managed to hit critical mass but made it to<br>> > > a 1.0+ release in 2006. BB is still around after being<br>> > > acquired by Quest (and now Dell has Quest it appears?) but<br>> > > is no longer "free". It never was FLOSS.<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > Nagios configuration is convoluted. Don't like it.<br>> > > _REALLY_ want some solid logic to add besides time and<br>> > > pester-me counts. If this AND this but NOT this then flag<br>> > > once and don't page until this followed by this however if<br>> > > this AND this AND this page NOW (yeah - good luck with<br>> > > that).<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > I been a consumer of Zabbix and found it a better layout<br>> > > that nagios. An install of zabbix is soon in my future.<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Jerald Sheets<br>> > > <questy@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:45 AM, "Lightner, Jeff"<br>> > > <JLightner@water.com> wrote:<br>> > > <br>> > > > So the issue wasn't Nagios - it was the folks managing<br>> > > it.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Nagios is a great tool and we use it in Production.<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > I'll bite. Nobody better to discuss with than the ALE<br>> > > family…<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > So, I hate Nagios. Can't express how much I dislike the<br>> > > product, the layout of the alerting, the lack of a<br>> > > comprehensive, easy to see and understand dashboard with<br>> > > easily managed/administered acknowledgements, mobile<br>> > > accessibility, automation, escalation paging… you name it.<br>> > > <br>> > > Now, before you freak out, I know it's all in there, but I<br>> > > personally find it markedly difficult to find all this<br>> > > stuff in the way Nagios has decided to lay everything out.<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > Is this just a "me" thing? Is it because my earliest and<br>> > > most often used monitoring stuff is from a "Big Brother"<br>> > > background? (BB, Hobbit, Xymon, Foglight, Spotlight)<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > What's the general landscape of monitoring tools and<br>> > > utilities in use out there?<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > --Jerald<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > _______________________________________________<br>> > > Ale mailing list<br>> > > Ale@ale.org<br>> > > http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale<br>> > > See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br>> > > http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > -- <br>> > > <br>> > > -- <br>> > > James P. Kinney III<br>> > > <br>> > > Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a<br>> > > jail. What you gain at one end you lose at the other. It's<br>> > > like feeding a dog on his own tail. It won't fatten the<br>> > > dog.<br>> > > - Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain<br>> > > <br>> > > http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > -- <br>> > > <br>> > > -- <br>> > > James P. Kinney III<br>> > > <br>> > > Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a<br>> > > jail. What you gain at one end you lose at the other. It's<br>> > > like feeding a dog on his own tail. It won't fatten the<br>> > > dog.<br>> > > - Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain<br>> > > <br>> > > http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > _______________________________________________<br>> > > Ale mailing list<br>> > > Ale@ale.org<br>> > > http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale<br>> > > See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br>> > > http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > _______________________________________________<br>> > > Ale mailing list<br>> > > Ale@ale.org<br>> > > http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale<br>> > > See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br>> > > http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > -- <br>> > > <br>> > > -- <br>> > > James P. Kinney III<br>> > > <br>> > > Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What<br>> > > you gain at one end you lose at the other. 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