[ale] asp user learning php?

Fri Mar 8 13:25:56 EST 2013

But but but

I was not asking how to research it .  I was asking others if they’ve made such a transition and what resources they used.

Why bother to answer “google is your friend” in a forum as the only answer?  Doesn’t that defeat the point of the forum in the first place.

Also I again note that I specifically stated I wasn’t asking for a “Google” response which should lead people to understand that I already know it is there.

Finally I note that I stated this was a question I was asking to help point a friend to resources.    Does anyone seriously think I hadn’t already told him that Google was his friend and that if he looked for “php” and “tutorial” in a search he might not find resources.

Nobody was born knowing everything and forum responses that seem to imply that questions are annoyance rather than the PURPOSE of the forum have always made me wonder what kind of mentality would sign up for a forum just to show how annoyed the question makes them.

What really gets me is that the ALE list will go on for days on end about ham radio, tax regulations or how to make apple pie but give little or no help on actual technology questions related to Linux.

From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kinney
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 12:04 PM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] asp user learning php?

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Lightner, Jeff <JLightner at water.com<mailto:JLightner at water.com>> wrote:
Not only did neither of you answer the question as asked you ignored part of what I wrote:
“I’m not asking for someone to Google for this – I’m asking people that
know both ways of doing things what resources they’d recommend.”
I really wish everyone would actually read entire posts before responding with the assumption that the poster has never heard of Google.

But, but, but

at least 60% of the ALE posts could be answered through a decent Google search. The rest are mostly "what do you think of this <strange configuration I'm setting up without reading Google first>". Occasionally someone posts a politically hot topic and gets a few days of crap out of people. And I no longer pay any attention to those unless it's getting nasty and I think it needs to cool down.

PHP and ASP are totally different philosophies of reaching the same end goal. There are no shortcuts. Just jump in and do it. For happy syntax coloring, any modern version of vim, emacs will do it from cli. Want a gui? Look at bluefish. It's specifically for web coding.

From: ale-bounces at ale.org<mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org> [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org<mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org>] On Behalf Of Andy Borgmann
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 9:16 AM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts

Subject: Re: [ale] asp user learning php?

To second what John has said, I'd say the same thing.  PHP was the first thing I learned (beyond HTML and CSS) and other than some JavaSript / AJAX - still really the only thing I know 8 years later because I certainly haven't lacked employment since getting good at it.  But I taught it all to myself using Google, examples from other projects, and specific questions.  I too just use a Text Editor (TextWrangler - great FTP integration).

The nice thing is that he has a good understanding of programming so what I would suggest him to do is think of how he would do it in ASP and then Google the question in PHP.  He'll catch on real, real quick.  So for example, he might know how to do a WHILE loop, or a MsSQL select statement in ASP and I would just Google "while loop in php" or "MySQL select in PHP" and he'll learn a lot better that way.  PHP.net is a great resource and really well documented.  In addition StackOverflow is a great place for answers.  But I never go to either of them directly, just via Google.

I don't know if ASP is object-oriented or procedural - but no matter what his background he should have a good foundation to transfer it over with the right questions and Google.

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On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 9:06 AM, John Heim <john at johnheim.net<mailto:john at johnheim.net>> wrote:

Well, at the risk of committing the sin of not answering the question, if it was my friend, I'd tell him to just google it. That's all I did when I switched from ASP to php and I'm blind. I would think someone with vision would find it even easier to learn by studying examples on-line. I don't think finding a book is going to make it any easier, just more tedious.

I don't have any advice wrt integrated development environment. I only wish I did. I do all my coding in TexpPad, a plain old text editor. But I haven't found an IDE that works well with a screen reader. If I had a lot of money I'd just keep buying them until I found one that works. About 5 years ago, I spent about $100 on 3 different ones and couldn't figure any of them out.

On 3/8/2013 7:19 AM, Lightner, Jeff wrote:
I have a friend that does web design using asp that wants to start going
the open source route.

He specifically asked me about learning php and I have loaned him an
O’Reilly book that talks about php, MySQL and one other thing as well as
my Apache book.   I had those but really don’t do web design myself.

Are there any good recommendations for what to look at to get up to
speed on php if one is used to asp?

Specifically he’d asked me if there is a design environment like that
for asp so he doesn’t have to do everything in text editors.   Since I’m
not familiar with asp I’m not sure what environment he is speaking of
but thought someone on this list might.

I’m not asking for someone to Google for this – I’m asking people that
know both ways of doing things what resources they’d recommend.

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