[ale] Forbes trashes Micro$soft

Sun Jan 6 12:08:23 EST 2013

Bwahahahaha!!!!!
 On Jan 6, 2013 8:34 AM, "Tim Watts" <tim at cliftonfarm.org> wrote:

> In short: "Windows 8 My Freedom." :-)
>
> On Fri, 2013-01-04 at 11:43 -0500, Jay Lozier wrote:
> > One key difference between Unity and Metro is that I can replace Unity
> > with something else on Ubuntu or use a Ubuntu based distro (my choice)
> > while with Metro I am basically stuck because M$ has not see fit to
> > allow users to chose a default setting they like. One of the reviewers
> > on Distrowatch basically did what the video was trying to do with
> > Metro and concluded Unity was a functional DE even if he personally
> > disliked it. My take on Unity is similar; it is functional but not the
> > DE I want to use (I prefer Cinnamon). So if I get a computer with
> > Ubuntu installed I do not have to trash the OS to make better suited
> > to me; I just install Cinnamon and move on.
> >
> > On 01/04/2013 10:54 AM, Ron Frazier (ALE) wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jay, and all,
> > >
> > > As you all know from my other posts, I'm a Windows user.  I have
> > > been, forever, since it's been in existence.  It was what came with
> > > your computer, or just about the only option to upgrade a DOS
> > > machine, back in the day.  It was there, it ran the system,
> > > generally did the job, generally worked, and generally stayed out of
> > > my way.  If it can help me do what I need to do, so much the better.
> > > The main things I want the OS to do is run the computer, stay out of
> > > my way, and make the features of the system available and accessible
> > > to me.  Even though I like Windows and use Windows OK, I am not a
> > > fan in the sense of a fanatic screaming at a football game.  It's
> > > there.  It does what I need most of the time.  It allows me to use
> > > the PC to get NON TRIVIAL work done.  I routinely have 50 browser
> > > tabs open and, sometimes, 6 or more windows open on the screen.  I
> > > neither love it, nor hate it.
> > >
> > > I've been a Ubuntu user since 10.04 (2010), I think.  So, for the
> > > last couple of years, I could say the same things about Ubuntu.  I
> > > try to keep my computers functionally identical or close to the same
> > > no matter which OS they're booted into.  I can do 90% of all the
> > > same stuff whether I'm running Windows or Ubuntu at any given time.
> > > I can still have lots of Firefox tabs open.  I can still have 50
> > > browser tabs open and 6 windows open.  Right now, I'm typing this on
> > > my Vista machine.  Right next to me, the other machine is booted
> > > into a Ubuntu live CD and yesterday that one was running 4 terminal
> > > windows doing badblocks tests on 4 separate HDD's.  All the while, I
> > > could browse the web, write email (if I enter the credentials while
> > > the live CD is running), write documents, etc.  I like Ubuntu OK.  I
> > > neither love it, nor hate it.
> > >
> > > I will acknowledge and do appreciate the benefits of a free software
> > > culture that you guys rave on about.  I will also acknowledge that I
> > > don't like the cost of Windows.
> > >
> > > So, I neither love nor hate Windows; and I neither love nor hate
> > > Ubuntu.  They're tools.  I use them to get things done, and
> > > sometimes have fun.
> > >
> > > UNTIL ...
> > >
> > > Unity!
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > Metro!
> > >
> > > I can now comfortably say, having used Unity for less than a few
> > > hours in the last year, that I hate it; and that I won't use it,
> > > unless I'm forced to kicking and screaming from a live CD, etc.  In
> > > fact, every time I use it, I find myself saying I hate this, I hate
> > > this.  (Yes, I know I can change it.  At least that's an option.)
> > >
> > > And, you wouldn't expect to hear ME saying this ...
> > >
> > > I can now comfortably say, NEVER HAVING USED WINDOWS 8 AT ALL, BASED
> > > SOLELY ON HEARSAY, that I hate Windows 8, and solemnly plan NEVER to
> > > use it in its current form as long as I have a choice.
> > >
> > > (I think it can support multiple windows in the Desktop "mode",
> > > contrary to a quote in the video, but it's far from obvious.)
> > >
> > > That video was amazing, and mind boggling, and it NAILS it!  I do
> > > wish he'd avoid the foul language, but he NAILS it.
> > >
> > >  This is the most incredible epic fail I've ever seen of a business
> > > ticking off a very large percentage of it's core customers.
> > >
> > > It is also the most incredible epic fail I've ever seen of a
> > > business throwing PRODUCTIVE COMPUTER USERS under the bus.  YES,
> > > there are far more consumers out there than heavy producers of
> > > content, but SOMEBODY has to produce it!  Somebody has to do video
> > > editing, sound track mixing, simulations, server administration,
> > > weather analysis, etc.  These systems say to the serious amateur
> > > users, the professional users, and the extremely geeky users, like
> > > people in forums like this - screw you.  We don't care if you're
> > > productive any more.  Everyone can just be a simplistic, CONSUMER of
> > > content, and so what if nobody can produce.  Not only that, these
> > > systems make it harder for even the simple users to do anything but
> > > the most basic and obvious tasks.
> > >
> > > This is an epic example of the new pups not knowing or caring about
> > > the knowledge that the old farts have accumulated for 20 - 30 years,
> > > reinventing the wheel, and coming up with a square tire.  Whether it
> > > will be a financial success is unknown, but I stand by may
> > > statement.
> > >
> > > Stupid, stupid, stupid.
> > >
> > > I can't imagine the billions of dollars of lost productivity and /
> > > or training costs to work AROUND the Windows 8 UI that businesses
> > > will suffer ... IF they even allow this thing to be deployed.
> > >
> > > Don't get me wrong, good change is good, but bad change it bad.
> > >
> > > OK.  End of rant.
> > >
> > > Thanks for posting the video link.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/3/2013 10:44 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:
> > > > On 01/03/2013 07:15 PM, Bob Toxen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Forbes Magazine article calls Micro$oft:
> > > > >
> > > > >   "A failing giant that only survives by charging prices that
> 'bleed
> > > > >   customers dry'"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> http://news.yahoo.com/microsoft-called-failing-giant-only-survives-charging-prices-151012820.html
> > > > Running down the original article
> > > >
> > > >
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerkay/2013/01/02/microsoft-is-fast-turning-into-a-sideshow/
> > > >
> > > > he references a very scathing You-Tube video about Windows 8 by
> > > > Brian Boyko (its about 24 minutes)
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo
> > > >
> > > > The video's main theme is that M$ broke the 4 basic rules for a
> > > > good UI design without any valid reason. This gives a very poor
> > > > user overall experience because it frustrates users. He actually
> > > > stated that as UI a command line was superior because it obeys 2
> > > > of the rules.
> > > >
> > > > Back to the article, apparently M$ has many serious internal
> > > > problems and once people start migrating away from M$ they could
> > > > be in very serious financial trouble. Apparently many of their
> > > > products try to force a vendor lock and once people find other
> > > > solutions they lose the vendor lock in. The article appears to
> > > > reference Linux in that he referred to alternates to Windows that
> > > > were cheaper.
> > > > > NOTE: if you have my "bob at cavu.com" email address it now is
> > > > > "bob at cavu.info" as I sold cavu.com on 12/31/2012.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob Toxen
> > > > > bob at verysecurelinux.com               [Please use for email to me]
> > > > > http://www.verysecurelinux.com        [Network&Linux security
> consulting]
> > > > > http://www.realworldlinuxsecurity.com [My book:"Real World Linux
> Security 2/e"]
> > > > > Quality Linux & UNIX security and SysAdmin & software consulting
> since 1990.
> > > > > Quality spam and virus filters.
> > > > >
> > > > > "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to
> bring
> > > > > them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
> where
> > > > > the shadows lie...and the Eye is everwatching"
> > > > > -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh with ... Bob
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