<p>Bwahahahaha!!!!!<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 6, 2013 8:34 AM, "Tim Watts" <<a href="mailto:tim@cliftonfarm.org">tim@cliftonfarm.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
In short: "Windows 8 My Freedom." :-)<br>
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On Fri, 2013-01-04 at 11:43 -0500, Jay Lozier wrote:<br>
> One key difference between Unity and Metro is that I can replace Unity<br>
> with something else on Ubuntu or use a Ubuntu based distro (my choice)<br>
> while with Metro I am basically stuck because M$ has not see fit to<br>
> allow users to chose a default setting they like. One of the reviewers<br>
> on Distrowatch basically did what the video was trying to do with<br>
> Metro and concluded Unity was a functional DE even if he personally<br>
> disliked it. My take on Unity is similar; it is functional but not the<br>
> DE I want to use (I prefer Cinnamon). So if I get a computer with<br>
> Ubuntu installed I do not have to trash the OS to make better suited<br>
> to me; I just install Cinnamon and move on.<br>
><br>
> On 01/04/2013 10:54 AM, Ron Frazier (ALE) wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Hi Jay, and all,<br>
> ><br>
> > As you all know from my other posts, I'm a Windows user. I have<br>
> > been, forever, since it's been in existence. It was what came with<br>
> > your computer, or just about the only option to upgrade a DOS<br>
> > machine, back in the day. It was there, it ran the system,<br>
> > generally did the job, generally worked, and generally stayed out of<br>
> > my way. If it can help me do what I need to do, so much the better.<br>
> > The main things I want the OS to do is run the computer, stay out of<br>
> > my way, and make the features of the system available and accessible<br>
> > to me. Even though I like Windows and use Windows OK, I am not a<br>
> > fan in the sense of a fanatic screaming at a football game. It's<br>
> > there. It does what I need most of the time. It allows me to use<br>
> > the PC to get NON TRIVIAL work done. I routinely have 50 browser<br>
> > tabs open and, sometimes, 6 or more windows open on the screen. I<br>
> > neither love it, nor hate it.<br>
> ><br>
> > I've been a Ubuntu user since 10.04 (2010), I think. So, for the<br>
> > last couple of years, I could say the same things about Ubuntu. I<br>
> > try to keep my computers functionally identical or close to the same<br>
> > no matter which OS they're booted into. I can do 90% of all the<br>
> > same stuff whether I'm running Windows or Ubuntu at any given time.<br>
> > I can still have lots of Firefox tabs open. I can still have 50<br>
> > browser tabs open and 6 windows open. Right now, I'm typing this on<br>
> > my Vista machine. Right next to me, the other machine is booted<br>
> > into a Ubuntu live CD and yesterday that one was running 4 terminal<br>
> > windows doing badblocks tests on 4 separate HDD's. All the while, I<br>
> > could browse the web, write email (if I enter the credentials while<br>
> > the live CD is running), write documents, etc. I like Ubuntu OK. I<br>
> > neither love it, nor hate it.<br>
> ><br>
> > I will acknowledge and do appreciate the benefits of a free software<br>
> > culture that you guys rave on about. I will also acknowledge that I<br>
> > don't like the cost of Windows.<br>
> ><br>
> > So, I neither love nor hate Windows; and I neither love nor hate<br>
> > Ubuntu. They're tools. I use them to get things done, and<br>
> > sometimes have fun.<br>
> ><br>
> > UNTIL ...<br>
> ><br>
> > Unity!<br>
> ><br>
> > and<br>
> ><br>
> > Metro!<br>
> ><br>
> > I can now comfortably say, having used Unity for less than a few<br>
> > hours in the last year, that I hate it; and that I won't use it,<br>
> > unless I'm forced to kicking and screaming from a live CD, etc. In<br>
> > fact, every time I use it, I find myself saying I hate this, I hate<br>
> > this. (Yes, I know I can change it. At least that's an option.)<br>
> ><br>
> > And, you wouldn't expect to hear ME saying this ...<br>
> ><br>
> > I can now comfortably say, NEVER HAVING USED WINDOWS 8 AT ALL, BASED<br>
> > SOLELY ON HEARSAY, that I hate Windows 8, and solemnly plan NEVER to<br>
> > use it in its current form as long as I have a choice.<br>
> ><br>
> > (I think it can support multiple windows in the Desktop "mode",<br>
> > contrary to a quote in the video, but it's far from obvious.)<br>
> ><br>
> > That video was amazing, and mind boggling, and it NAILS it! I do<br>
> > wish he'd avoid the foul language, but he NAILS it.<br>
> ><br>
> > This is the most incredible epic fail I've ever seen of a business<br>
> > ticking off a very large percentage of it's core customers.<br>
> ><br>
> > It is also the most incredible epic fail I've ever seen of a<br>
> > business throwing PRODUCTIVE COMPUTER USERS under the bus. YES,<br>
> > there are far more consumers out there than heavy producers of<br>
> > content, but SOMEBODY has to produce it! Somebody has to do video<br>
> > editing, sound track mixing, simulations, server administration,<br>
> > weather analysis, etc. These systems say to the serious amateur<br>
> > users, the professional users, and the extremely geeky users, like<br>
> > people in forums like this - screw you. We don't care if you're<br>
> > productive any more. Everyone can just be a simplistic, CONSUMER of<br>
> > content, and so what if nobody can produce. Not only that, these<br>
> > systems make it harder for even the simple users to do anything but<br>
> > the most basic and obvious tasks.<br>
> ><br>
> > This is an epic example of the new pups not knowing or caring about<br>
> > the knowledge that the old farts have accumulated for 20 - 30 years,<br>
> > reinventing the wheel, and coming up with a square tire. Whether it<br>
> > will be a financial success is unknown, but I stand by may<br>
> > statement.<br>
> ><br>
> > Stupid, stupid, stupid.<br>
> ><br>
> > I can't imagine the billions of dollars of lost productivity and /<br>
> > or training costs to work AROUND the Windows 8 UI that businesses<br>
> > will suffer ... IF they even allow this thing to be deployed.<br>
> ><br>
> > Don't get me wrong, good change is good, but bad change it bad.<br>
> ><br>
> > OK. End of rant.<br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks for posting the video link.<br>
> ><br>
> > Sincerely,<br>
> ><br>
> > Ron<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On 1/3/2013 10:44 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:<br>
> > > On 01/03/2013 07:15 PM, Bob Toxen wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > > Forbes Magazine article calls Micro$oft:<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > "A failing giant that only survives by charging prices that 'bleed<br>
> > > > customers dry'"<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/microsoft-called-failing-giant-only-survives-charging-prices-151012820.html" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/microsoft-called-failing-giant-only-survives-charging-prices-151012820.html</a><br>
> > > Running down the original article<br>
> > ><br>
> > > <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerkay/2013/01/02/microsoft-is-fast-turning-into-a-sideshow/" target="_blank">http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerkay/2013/01/02/microsoft-is-fast-turning-into-a-sideshow/</a><br>
> > ><br>
> > > he references a very scathing You-Tube video about Windows 8 by<br>
> > > Brian Boyko (its about 24 minutes)<br>
> > ><br>
> > > <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo</a><br>
> > ><br>
> > > The video's main theme is that M$ broke the 4 basic rules for a<br>
> > > good UI design without any valid reason. This gives a very poor<br>
> > > user overall experience because it frustrates users. He actually<br>
> > > stated that as UI a command line was superior because it obeys 2<br>
> > > of the rules.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Back to the article, apparently M$ has many serious internal<br>
> > > problems and once people start migrating away from M$ they could<br>
> > > be in very serious financial trouble. Apparently many of their<br>
> > > products try to force a vendor lock and once people find other<br>
> > > solutions they lose the vendor lock in. The article appears to<br>
> > > reference Linux in that he referred to alternates to Windows that<br>
> > > were cheaper.<br>
> > > > NOTE: if you have my "<a href="mailto:bob@cavu.com">bob@cavu.com</a>" email address it now is<br>
> > > > "<a href="mailto:bob@cavu.info">bob@cavu.info</a>" as I sold <a href="http://cavu.com" target="_blank">cavu.com</a> on 12/31/2012.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Bob Toxen<br>
> > > > <a href="mailto:bob@verysecurelinux.com">bob@verysecurelinux.com</a> [Please use for email to me]<br>
> > > > <a href="http://www.verysecurelinux.com" target="_blank">http://www.verysecurelinux.com</a> [Network&Linux security consulting]<br>
> > > > <a href="http://www.realworldlinuxsecurity.com" target="_blank">http://www.realworldlinuxsecurity.com</a> [My book:"Real World Linux Security 2/e"]<br>
> > > > Quality Linux & UNIX security and SysAdmin & software consulting since 1990.<br>
> > > > Quality spam and virus filters.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring<br>
> > > > them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where<br>
> > > > the shadows lie...and the Eye is everwatching"<br>
> > > > -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh with ... Bob<br>
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