[ale] [OT] Home nas

[Matthew]

I just posted a picture of it. http://simontekhacks.blogspot.com/

Its a turion cpu. It doesn't pull much power, and near silent. Looks like
42w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zbjGywEkTA

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Cameron Kilgore <ghostfreeman at gmail.com>wrote:

> How's the power consumption on that ProLiant? Can you share the blog post
> in question?
>
> --Cameron
> <http://ghostfreeman.net>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM, <simontek at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have this:
>> http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/15351-15351-4237916-4237918-4237917-4248009.html?dnr=1I bought it new on newegg for $249 last year. I have been happy with it.
>> You can put MS WHS, or FreeNAS, or a custom setup for it.
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816401170 I want
>> to get this for it.
>>
>> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TM4QnTDSJLk/TvngeYiG4SI/AAAAAAAAALM/MM5xYev4Spw/s1600/IMG-20111206-00180.jpg
>> The motherboard (from my blog) supports a mini-sas connector, internal
>> usb port, 16x PCIe slot, you can use non-ecc with it if you want to. The
>> motherboard slides out. its a nice little setup.
>>
>>
>>
>> On , Cameron Kilgore <ghostfreeman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I'd like to know more about performance with Atom, since I imagine
>> using ZFS and FreeNAS can be CPU-intensive.
>> >
>> > I'm definitely not looking for more than 2 SATA plugs to do RAID 1
>> mirroring, but i'll check out the Supermicro boards.
>> >
>> >
>> > --Cameron
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Greg Clifton gccfof5 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > One problem with many of the Atom and Hudson A350 boards is a minimal
>> number of SATA ports ( often only 2). If you are interested in an Atom
>> board with more SATA ports, check out Supermicro's embedded product line,
>> they have some with 4 or more SATA ports, but they ain't cheap. I recently
>> came across a nano board that VIA is evidently producing in response to
>> the Raspberry Pi and similar such products. It has 2 SATA ports and a quad
>> core processor. Looks like it would make an adequate board to base a
>> mirrored pair of drives off of, when it is available. I could envision such
>> a device with a pair of hard drives "living" in the same case as a desktop
>> system that might be your "main" computer. The article says the price is
>> not yet set, but surely it will be less than $100:
>> >
>> http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/via-launches-tiny-quad-core-x86-epia-p910-board-2012097/
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I would love to hear anybody's experience that has used an Atom, or
>> esp. an A350 board for a NAS box, because that is an idea that I have been
>> kicking around.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > GC
>> >
>> > On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 4:59 PM, JD jdp at algoloma.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Backups don't need RAID. You want RAID on the main storage, if that is a
>> >
>> > requirement.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > For simple backups, buy a USB3 dock and connect it to a router with USB
>> ports
>> >
>> > for storage.  Using a dock means he has "unlimited storage", just swap
>> in a new
>> >
>> > 2TB hdd when the old one fills up.  If performance isn't good enough,
>> newer
>> >
>> > routers should support USB3 soon.  Even some of those $50 media
>> streaming
>> >
>> > devices will share USB HDD storage on the network.  I'm positive that a
>> WD-TV
>> >
>> > Live HD does.  At 100base-tx, it is painfully slow compared to
>> everything else
>> >
>> > that is GigE connected here.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > USB3 is not a good idea for anything other than backups or streaming
>> media,
>> >
>> > IMHO. There has been a queuing issue with USB for years. It handles 1
>> or 2
>> >
>> > different requests at a time nicely, but not 5-20 like a full OS will
>> make.
>> >
>> > There are eSATA docks for that, but then he needs to leave a PC on all
>> the time.
>> >
>> > eSATA behaves just like internal disks. Same performance, same command
>> set.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I wouldn't completely knock out building a NAS-PC either.  The AMD APUs
>> and Atom
>> >
>> > APUs can use 20W of power + however many HDDs are inside.  Last month
>> if saw
>> >
>> > (and purchased) a Slickdeal E-350 MB+APU+case for $100. That's hard to
>> beat on
>> >
>> > the price.  Drop in 1-2G of old RAM and an old HDD means a new system
>> is ready
>> >
>> > and will be stingy on electricity.  I am not using it as a NAS, but
>> might in the
>> >
>> > future.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I have a home-built NAS with an external 4 disk array currently. That
>> is primary
>> >
>> > storage running Linux software RAID.  To back it up, a USB3 WD external
>> disk is
>> >
>> > used. Simple, cheap and effective.  If the backup disk fails - oh well.
>>  That
>> >
>> > same disk array has been moved between systems and Linux installs
>> multiple
>> >
>> > times. It was a non-event every time, extremely flexible.  Software
>> RAID can be
>> >
>> > slower than HW-RAID.  The RAID5 here is much less speed than a single
>> WD Black
>> >
>> > drive for writes. The OS disk cache is about 4G on that box, so the
>> first 4G of
>> >
>> > transfer is always 65-75MB/s. Writing large files (10-22G HD
>> recordings) to the
>> >
>> > single Black drive achieves about 40MB/s over the network, after the
>> cache is
>> >
>> > full.  Going to the RAID5 storage might get 10MB/s after the cache is
>> full.
>> >
>> > Same client, same server, same network, just the storage being written
>> onto is
>> >
>> > different. Guess which drive I transfer new files onto over the
>> network?  To be
>> >
>> > fair, the Black drives are fairly new and the disks in the array are
>> 5.5+ yrs
>> >
>> > old.  I'm burning in replacement HDDs as I write this.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > With purchased NAS devices, much flexibility is gone. There are limits
>> set by
>> >
>> > the maker. I guess that is what you are asking - about those
>> limitations?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Anyway, I hope these ideas are helpful to finding the best answer for
>> his needs.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 09/16/2012 12:56 PM, John Anderson wrote:
>> >
>> > > I guess the issues other than the basic one of price would be:
>> >
>> > > reliablility.
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > > raid 1
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > > Ability to pop a drive out and read it if the unit fries. Are there
>> >
>> > > systems with software versus hardware raid? My understanding is that
>> >
>> > > software is easier to recover if the hardware fails.
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > > Transfer speed is probably not an issue. This is more for the first
>> >
>> > > layer of backup for multiple pc's in the household. It probably won't
>> be
>> >
>> > > getting hammered on a regular basis.
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > > On 09/16/2012 12:39 PM, JD wrote:
>> >
>> > >> On 09/16/2012 12:02 PM, John Anderson wrote:
>> >
>> > >>> Any recommendations/cautions about picking up a home nas? It's for
>> my
>> >
>> > >>> brother in law so he probably won't want a re-purposed PC. Looking
>> to
>> >
>> > >>> spend
>> > >> You usually get what you pay for.
>> >
>> > >> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-charts/view will get you (or
>> him) started.
>> >
>> > >>
>> >
>> > >> There are many other caveats, but without requirements or use
>> scenarios, I can't
>> >
>> > >> begin to make any suggestions.
>> >
>> > >>
>> >
>> > >> If he wants low price over all else, there are cheap 1 or 2 disk
>> options without
>> >
>> > >> any advanced capabilities. However, these have pretty poor
>> performance, but that
>> >
>> > >> may not be an issue.
>> >
>> > >>
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