[ale] snarky use of RedHat - heh, heh

Tue Oct 30 09:22:42 EDT 2012

At my last job I deployed a few RHEV clusters instead of VMware 
precisely because of the cost differential. For us (mid-sized 
enterprise, an established VMware and Red Hat account) the RHEV 
licensing PLUS the servers to run it on cost less than just the 
equivalent VMware software licensing would have cost. Though, in 
fairness, that was compared and purchased in the dark time when VMware 
was charging a memory tax on top of the regular CPU-based licensing. I 
think they've recently removed that from VMware due to competitive price 
pressure :-)

If you go to http://www.redhat.com/products/virtualization/ and click 
the "Cost advantage" link towards the bottom it'll bring up an ROI 
calculator based off list pricing so you can get a good feel how it 
would cost for you based on your chosen support level, preferred server 
sizing, etc. It'll also give you a list-based TCO comparison of RH vs 
Microsoft and VMware...

On 10/30/12 8:01 AM, Jim Kinney wrote:
>
> I don't know cost. I have access to this through partner license stuff.
>
> On Oct 30, 2012 12:01 AM, "Beddingfield, Allen" <allen at ua.edu 
> <mailto:allen at ua.edu>> wrote:
>
>     So what does it end up approximately costing you per-host?  Our
>     cost per-physical host for RHEL is higher than our cost for VMware
>     Enterprise Plus on a 4 socket server :)
>     If we were going that route, I would probably do KVM on SUSE SLES
>     with the libvirt tools or Citrix XenServer, since we already have
>     both of those in house.
>
>     --
>     Allen Beddingfield
>     Systems Engineer
>     The University of Alabama
>     ________________________________
>     From: ale-bounces at ale.org <mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org>
>     [ale-bounces at ale.org <mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org>] on behalf of
>     Jim Kinney [jim.kinney at gmail.com <mailto:jim.kinney at gmail.com>]
>     Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 9:54 PM
>     To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
>     Subject: Re: [ale] snarky use of RedHat - heh, heh
>
>
>     RHEL is a different pricing structure than VMWare. Vmware has
>     limits per tier on cpu sockets but not redhat.
>     Virt stuff is all gpl from rh. Manager will be in Centos once no
>     longer beta. Use licensees for high profile stuff and centos for
>     others.
>
>     On Oct 29, 2012 9:19 PM, "Beddingfield, Allen" <allen at ua.edu
>     <mailto:allen at ua.edu><mailto:allen at ua.edu <mailto:allen at ua.edu>>>
>     wrote:
>     While I do not doubt that VMware has valid reasons to be quaking
>     in their boots, I'm not sure that Redhat would be the cause.  From
>     my experience, they aren't much less expensive than VMware :)  Of
>     course, my perspective may be a bit skewed. I am in higher-ed,
>     where everything is influenced by how large the academic discount
>     will be.  Redhat's academic discounts are small compared with
>     those of their competitors.  It would probably work out more
>     expensive for us to switch to RHEV.
>     Allen B.
>     --
>     Allen Beddingfield
>     Systems Engineer
>     The University of Alabama
>
>     ________________________________________
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>     <mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org>> [ale-bounces at ale.org
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>     <mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org>>] on behalf of Jim Kinney
>     [jim.kinney at gmail.com
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>     Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 5:25 PM
>     To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!
>     Subject: [ale] snarky use of RedHat - heh, heh
>
>     for those that have known me for a while, my loathing of all things
>     Microsoft is legendary. I saw the light of FREEDOM in 1992 and fully
>     embraced "My True Calling" in 1997. But sometimes people pay me to
>     kick a windwoes machine around the block.
>
>     I finished a set up of RedHat Enterprise Virtualization 3.1 Beta (only
>     slightly easier than a simultaneous root canal and colonoscopy with no
>     pain killers.) and they have succeeded in removing the horrid
>     requirement of needed a WindWoes system to run the RHEV Manager gui.
>     It's a JBOSS stack and the preferred console interface is spice.
>
>     It works quite well. Some bits are "different" but I am loading up a
>     Win7 as a test OS. If that pile of crap will load, ANYTHING will run!
>
>     This should have VMWare quaking in their boots.
>
>     Wolf- It finally worked!
>
>     --
>     --
>     James P. Kinney III
>
>     Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you
>     gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his
>     own tail. It won't fatten the dog.
>     - Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain
>
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