[ale] Google resets

[Lightner, Jeff]

Interestingly this wasn't an issue in our web filter and is working now but I notice what is actually happening now is the https is redirecting to a non-secure page.  It may be it was doing that before this morning - I never really paid attention as I was never consciously trying to go to https.   Maybe Google was experimenting today?

-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Lightner, Jeff
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 11:27 AM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] Google resets

You really ought to read the entire email before you respond.  I made it clear I had already seen the earlier discussion.   My post was to see if anyone was having an issue TODAY and also a mini-rant against a practice that would cause this based on the reasoning given in that earlier discussion.

Anyway it turns out my issue is that the default search engines in Firefox for some reason now uses https:// for Google rather than simple http:// - on doing the standard page in Firefox it works fine.

Now the question is why does Firefox only have this https version when they clearly call it "experimental" in their discussion when you check for available search engines?  Another question would be does https normally work and it is just this part that Google is having issues with today?   Anyone else able to get to Google via https?

I'd actually seen similar issues a few weeks ago but didn't realize it was because their "default" was doing https://.   Since it was a side issue I didn't delve into it and later was no longer experiencing it.   This may be an issue with our internal web filter appliance.





-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of arxaaron
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 11:13 AM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] Google resets

On 2012/08/20, at 10:06 , Lightner, Jeff wrote:
> Anyone else having trouble doing Google searches
> this morning?   I keep getting connection resets.

This was addressed extensively on the list just a week or so ago.  David Thomaschik offered the following:
=======
==> Re: [ale] OT: google search behavior ======== I suggest reading:
<http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2007/07/reason-behind-were-sorry-message.html
 >

This can be seen if a lot of users are NATted/proxied to a single IP address, you issue queries at a very high rate, etc.

David
==========
(full disclosure reminder that David is now a Google employee)


>  Bing on the other hand works just fine.

Sure, but Bung results are useless, so it really doesn't matter if you can get to it or not.  (This is not just my opinion, it is the opinion of absolutely everyone I've ever had a conversation with comparing Bung and Google.)

> I saw mention on this list last week of Google limiting traffic from 
> common IPs affecting all outbound workstations on corporate networks 
> that share a single outbound IP.

See above.

> Is Google really so short-sighted that they don't know corporations do 
> this?

I don't think there's anything short sighted about it.  Google are simply and justifiably protecting their services from abuse, corporate or otherwise.

>    Are they unaware alternatives like Bing exist so people are more 
> likely to use that than go through the trouble of modifying their 
> corporate networks?

Google is ubiquitous and competent.  Bing is neither.
Corporate IT will get off their windiseased butts and modify their networks. All the more inevitably when the whole Bung hole service becomes even more useless due to abuse.

peace
aaron



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