[ale] Fedora 15

[Jeff Hubbs]

Gentoo user peers in and opines, "My, what strange and exotic problems 
these people seem to be having..."

In Gentoo, new versions of packages - to include major revisions like 
Gnome 3, KDE4, or Python 3 - are not associated with versions of 
distribution because there *are no* versions of the distribution; a 
given package's version is available for a Gentoo instance once its 
managers mark it stable (you can, of course, unmask it for inclusion 
*before* it's marked stable if you want).  Portage (the package 
management system) will sort out and handle the dependencies.  There's 
no need to keep up with a shifting repository diaspora to obtain obvious 
common packages; there is really only one repository that's mirrored 
around the world (you can generate a local copy if you like; it's on the 
order of 100GiB) and only in the case of an extreme outlier (or 
non-open/unreleaseable code or binaries that you might be trafficking 
in) will you need to establish an overlay for a package that's not in 
Portage; this is very useful in institutional settings.

There's no need for torrents, version release parties, multi-gig CD or 
DVD sets; any general-purpose liveCD is fine for installation or, once 
you've got a starting-point instance for a given architecture built how 
you like it, you can just blow a backup of it onto other hardware, 
configure and run grub, boot it up, run "emerge --sync && emerge -uD 
world" and in a little while you'll have a fully updated new instance.

Generally, when I'm working in Linux, at any given moment I'm interested 
in the behavior of a handful of packages and the results I get from 
them; I don't care to vibrate a lot of brain cells over distribution 
issues.  I don't have to scratch my head over why on a brand new version 
of a certain Linux distribution, I'm stuck with a 
two-and-a-half-year-old version of CUPS or some such.

And when I emerge a package on a given machine, it's nice to know that 
the gcc invocation will be flagged for the exact type of CPU I've got 
with the various optimization flags set to be as safe or as radical as I 
feel like having them be.



On 5/25/11 10:59 PM, Jim Kinney wrote:
> Fedora is a single DVD download. No CD iso's.
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:20 PM, David Hillman <hillmands at gmail.com 
> <mailto:hillmands at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I am going through similar issues with Ubuntu 11.04.  Libreoffice
>     is nice, but Unity isn't doing it for me on the Ubuntu end.  I
>     want to try Gnome 3 to see how it is, but my only other machine
>     that I have that might support that is a Macbook Pro.
>      Unfortunately, Virtualbox doesn't seem to have what it takes to
>     support Gnome3.  A good option is to get Gnome 3 on Ubuntu 11.04.
>      My limited research seems to head in the
>     million-headaches-to-suffer-through direction.  There is too much
>     other work to be done right now for that.  It'll be far easier to
>     swap in a new hard drive in the new Toshiba and install Fedora,
>     despite my dislike for RPM.  Does still have the 10 CDs or 2 DVDs
>     download?  Since when did things become so....complicated?  My
>     grandfather would probably start giving his speech about too many
>     cooks in the kitchen right about now.
>
>     On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com
>     <mailto:jim.kinney at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Upgrading laptop to fedora 15 and noticed that openoffice was
>         replaced with libreoffice. Oracle really pissed off a lot of
>         people.
>         Also I actually read the fedora docs and realized that gnome3
>         effectively requires a two handed user. The active spot to
>         launch applications requires both alt key and left mouse
>         simultaneously to use. What was gnome devel thinking?
>
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