[ale] [OT] rant - decadence in society - DRM

Wed Mar 30 09:35:31 EDT 2011

More like poked it with a pointed burning stick dripping with caustic
sludge.
On Mar 30, 2011 9:26 AM, "Charles Shapiro" <hooterpincher at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ooh, I seem to have touched a nerve.
>
> -- CHS
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 12:26 AM, arxaaron <arxaaron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 2011/03/29, at 17:11 , Jim Kinney wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Charles Shapiro <hooterpincher at gmail.com
>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> And yet, without those evil corporations we would not be swimming in
>>> the happy sea of
>>
>>
>>>
>>> (toxic waste dumps caused by unregulated production of)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> cheap and wonderful hardware which we inhabit.  I
>>> bought a 1/2 terabyte drive at Fry's the other day for $50
>>
>>
>>>
>>> (that was built by children who are nearly slaves in China).
>>
>>
>>>
>>>  Small shops and artisanal craftsmanship cannot produce that kind of
>>> machinery at that price
>>
>>
>>>
>>> (and theyhave no desire to produce WalMart-level quality).
>>
>>
>>>
>>>  Corporations are certainly capable of
>>> outrageous behavior, but that's only half the story.
>>
>> (The other half is the rampant greed that drives economic system
>>
>> to near global collapse)
>>>
>>> -- CHS
>>
>> I have almost zero trust for any process that holds the top level
blameless
>>
>> and harmless from their decisions. Corporations are my prime example.
>>
>> Political leaders are the secondary example.
>>
>> Here's more of the reality.  The nicest thing about these videos is that
>> the simple, clear, down to earth way that Annie Leonard presents the
>> Truth, it might even be possible for delusional, child killing, drooling,
>> Glenn Beck foil hat conspiracy nut, teabagger terrorist, Koch brother
>> teahadist puppet hate monger types to understand it (assuming it's
>> possible for them to pull their zombie heads out of their sphincters
>> for all of ten minutes):
>> <http://www.youtube.com/storyofstuffproject#p/u/22/9GorqroigqM>
>> Makes me want to take out a billboard ad for all those patricidal
>> killers of the American Dream:
>> Hey STOOPID!  It's the CORPORATIONS that are coproRAPING
>> you, and corpoRAPING your economy, and corpoRAPING your
>> country, and corpoRAPING your freedoms, and corpoRAPING your
>> children, and, with the aid of YOUR blissful ignorance and
>> compliant infantile denial and rabid right wing media puppet
>> zombie hate mongering terrorism, they are coproRAPING the
>> future of everyone and everything else on the entire planet, too!
>>
>> peace
>> aaron
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> > Yay! Aaron's back!
>>> >
>>> > Constitution is about PEOPLE not corporations.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:36 PM, arxaaron <arxaaron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On 2011/03/24, at 10:11 , Charles Shapiro wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > I was merely using Mr. Paine as a hint that copyright laws Need to
>>> >> > Change.  "When we are exposed to the same miseries BY a government,
>>> >> > which we might expect in a country WITHOUT government..."
>>> >> >
>>> >> > When "Intellectual Property" laws become an IMPEDIMENT to
innovation,
>>> >> > rather than a SPUR, it is time to change the laws.  Walt Disney
>>> >> > doesn't own my computer. Warner Brothers can't dictate how I use
it.
>>> >> > Sony Inc. won't stop me from writing code.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -- CHS
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Which speaks to the REAL core of the problem, which is that our
>>> >> social democracy, a Positive, Just and Constructive system of
>>> >> government that was designed by constitution to establish and
>>> >> protect the freedoms and civil liberties of its citizens, has been
>>> >> destroyed by Corporate Welfare State fascism.
>>> >>
>>> >> Since usurping the 14th Amendment laws intended to protect the
>>> >> _human_ rights and civil liberties of freed _human_ slaves in 1896,
>>> >> the totalitarian structures of piratizing corporation have corrupted
>>> >> every law and every institution of the good government that was
>>> >> designed to protect the rights and liberties of its citizens.  The
>>> >> corporapist elites and their vicious pursuit of resource theft,
>>> >> worker exploitation and monopolies have been a the blood
>>> >> sucking cancer of greed to our nation since its founding.
>>> >>
>>> >> peace
>>> >> aaron
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> Brilliant prose from a brilliant person from a time period when no
>>> >> >> government had ever yet done any measurable good for any portion
of
>>> >> >> their
>>> >> >> governed that approached a majority.
>>> >> >> I wish Franklin and Jefferson could have seen humans walking on
the
>>> >> >> moon.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Mar 23, 2011 2:57 PM, "Charles Shapiro"
>>> >> >> <hooterpincher at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>> For a more sensible response: I am sorry, but I strongly disagree
>>> >> >>> with
>>> >> >>> Ron's contentions about Intellectual Property.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Intellectual Property is nonsense. If you steal my real property,
>>> >> >>> you
>>> >> >>> deprive me of the use of it. Steal my bicycle, and I can't use it
>>> >> >>> to
>>> >> >>> go down to the store. If you make a copy of my book (or my song,
or
>>> >> >>> my software...), I can still read (or play, or use) my copy. More
>>> >> >>> to
>>> >> >>> the point, I can still SELL my copy. You could (possibly) argue
>>> >> >>> that
>>> >> >>> publishing your copy of my book may deprive me of some revenues
>>> >> >>> which
>>> >> >>> I might otherwise have acquired from selling copies of my book,
but
>>> >> >>> that money a phantasm. It is not the same as the money I keep in
my
>>> >> >>> wallet or my bank account. "Intellectual Property" laws are hacks
>>> >> >>> to
>>> >> >>> encourage people to write neat stuff. Once they start getting
>>> >> >>> _in_the_way_ of creating stuff, they're obviously a Bad Idea.
>>> >> >>> Confusing this putative "Intellectual Property" with real
property
>>> >> >>> is
>>> >> >>> a sure way to misunderstand every moral and legal issue
associated
>>> >> >>> with creative work.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> The Original Ranter maybe said it best:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its
>>> >> >>> best
>>> >> >>> state is but a necessary evil in its worst state an intolerable
>>> >> >>> one;
>>> >> >>> for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a
>>> >> >>> government, which we might expect in a country without
government,
>>> >> >>> our
>>> >> >>> calamities is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means
by
>>> >> >>> which we suffer! Government, like dress, is the badge of lost
>>> >> >>> innocence; the palaces of kings are built on the ruins of the
>>> >> >>> bowers
>>> >> >>> of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform,
>>> >> >>> and
>>> >> >>> irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that
not
>>> >> >>> being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of
his
>>> >> >>> property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and
this
>>> >> >>> he
>>> >> >>> is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case
>>> >> >>> advises him out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore,
>>> >> >>> security
>>> >> >>> being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably
>>> >> >>> follows
>>> >> >>> that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to
us,
>>> >> >>> with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to all
>>> >> >>> others.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> (Tom Paine, 1776)
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> -- CHS
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jerald Sheets <questy at gmail.com>
>>> >> >>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> On Mar 23, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Charles Shapiro wrote:
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>> And YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> "Residential Vegetation Management Zone"
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> #!/jerald
>>> >> >>>> Linux User #183003
>>> >> >>>> Ubuntu User #32648
>>> >> >>>> Public GPG Key:  http://questy.org/js.asc
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
>>> >> >>>> Version: 3.1
>>> >> >>>> GIT/MU d-@ s++(++)>+++:> a+ C++++(+++)$>++ UBLAVHSC++(on)$>++++
>>> >> >>>> P++(+++)$>++++ L++(++++)$>+++ !E---(---)>--- W+(++)$>+++ N(+)$>+
>>> >> >>>> + !o !K--
>>> >> >>>> w(--)>--- O()@> M++(++)$>++ V()>- PS+++()@>-- PE(++)@>+ Y+(+)@>+
>>> >> >>>> PGP++(++)$>+++ t+(++)@>+++ 5(+)@>+ X+(++)@>+++ R+(+)@>++
>>> >> >>>> tv-(+)$>++
>>> >> >>>> b+++(++)$>++ DI++++(++)>+++ D++(++)@>++ G++(++)@>++ e++(++)$>++
>>> >> >>>> h(-)$>-
>>> >> >>>> r+++(+++)@>+++ y+(+++)>++++@
>>> >> >>>> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
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