[ale] [OT] rant - decadence in society - DRM

[Jim Kinney]

Agreed wholeheartedly!

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Charles Shapiro
<hooterpincher at gmail.com>wrote:

> I was merely using Mr. Paine as a hint that copyright laws Need to
> Change.  "When we are exposed to the same miseries BY a government,
> which we might expect in a country WITHOUT government..."
>
> When "Intellectual Property" laws become an IMPEDIMENT to innovation,
> rather than a SPUR, it is time to change the laws.  Walt Disney
> doesn't own my computer. Warner Brothers can't dictate how I use it.
> Sony Inc. won't stop me from writing code.
>
> -- CHS
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Brilliant prose from a brilliant person from a time period when no
> > government had ever yet done any measurable good for any portion of their
> > governed that approached a majority.
> > I wish Franklin and Jefferson could have seen humans walking on the moon.
> >
> > On Mar 23, 2011 2:57 PM, "Charles Shapiro" <hooterpincher at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> For a more sensible response: I am sorry, but I strongly disagree with
> >> Ron's contentions about Intellectual Property.
> >>
> >> Intellectual Property is nonsense. If you steal my real property, you
> >> deprive me of the use of it. Steal my bicycle, and I can't use it to
> >> go down to the store. If you make a copy of my book (or my song, or
> >> my software...), I can still read (or play, or use) my copy. More to
> >> the point, I can still SELL my copy. You could (possibly) argue that
> >> publishing your copy of my book may deprive me of some revenues which
> >> I might otherwise have acquired from selling copies of my book, but
> >> that money a phantasm. It is not the same as the money I keep in my
> >> wallet or my bank account. "Intellectual Property" laws are hacks to
> >> encourage people to write neat stuff. Once they start getting
> >> _in_the_way_ of creating stuff, they're obviously a Bad Idea.
> >> Confusing this putative "Intellectual Property" with real property is
> >> a sure way to misunderstand every moral and legal issue associated
> >> with creative work.
> >>
> >> The Original Ranter maybe said it best:
> >>
> >> Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best
> >> state is but a necessary evil in its worst state an intolerable one;
> >> for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a
> >> government, which we might expect in a country without government, our
> >> calamities is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by
> >> which we suffer! Government, like dress, is the badge of lost
> >> innocence; the palaces of kings are built on the ruins of the bowers
> >> of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform, and
> >> irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that not
> >> being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his
> >> property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this he
> >> is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case
> >> advises him out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore, security
> >> being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably follows
> >> that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us,
> >> with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to all
> >> others.
> >>
> >> (Tom Paine, 1776)
> >>
> >> -- CHS
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jerald Sheets <questy at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> On Mar 23, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Charles Shapiro wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> And YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!
> >>>
> >>> "Residential Vegetation Management Zone"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> #!/jerald
> >>> Linux User #183003
> >>> Ubuntu User #32648
> >>> Public GPG Key:  http://questy.org/js.asc
> >>>
> >>> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> >>> Version: 3.1
> >>> GIT/MU d-@ s++(++)>+++:> a+ C++++(+++)$>++ UBLAVHSC++(on)$>++++
> >>> P++(+++)$>++++ L++(++++)$>+++ !E---(---)>--- W+(++)$>+++ N(+)$>++ !o
> !K--
> >>> w(--)>--- O()@> M++(++)$>++ V()>- PS+++()@>-- PE(++)@>+ Y+(+)@>+
> >>> PGP++(++)$>+++ t+(++)@>+++ 5(+)@>+ X+(++)@>+++ R+(+)@>++ tv-(+)$>++
> >>> b+++(++)$>++ DI++++(++)>+++ D++(++)@>++ G++(++)@>++ e++(++)$>++ h(-)$>-
> >>> r+++(+++)@>+++ y+(+++)>++++@
> >>> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
> >>>
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