Agreed wholeheartedly! <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Charles Shapiro <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hooterpincher@gmail.com">hooterpincher@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
I was merely using Mr. Paine as a hint that copyright laws Need to<br>
Change. "When we are exposed to the same miseries BY a government,<br>
which we might expect in a country WITHOUT government..."<br>
<br>
When "Intellectual Property" laws become an IMPEDIMENT to innovation,<br>
rather than a SPUR, it is time to change the laws. Walt Disney<br>
doesn't own my computer. Warner Brothers can't dictate how I use it.<br>
Sony Inc. won't stop me from writing code.<br>
<br>
-- CHS<br>
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On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Jim Kinney <<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Brilliant prose from a brilliant person from a time period when no<br>
> government had ever yet done any measurable good for any portion of their<br>
> governed that approached a majority.<br>
> I wish Franklin and Jefferson could have seen humans walking on the moon.<br>
><br>
> On Mar 23, 2011 2:57 PM, "Charles Shapiro" <<a href="mailto:hooterpincher@gmail.com">hooterpincher@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> For a more sensible response: I am sorry, but I strongly disagree with<br>
>> Ron's contentions about Intellectual Property.<br>
>><br>
>> Intellectual Property is nonsense. If you steal my real property, you<br>
>> deprive me of the use of it. Steal my bicycle, and I can't use it to<br>
>> go down to the store. If you make a copy of my book (or my song, or<br>
>> my software...), I can still read (or play, or use) my copy. More to<br>
>> the point, I can still SELL my copy. You could (possibly) argue that<br>
>> publishing your copy of my book may deprive me of some revenues which<br>
>> I might otherwise have acquired from selling copies of my book, but<br>
>> that money a phantasm. It is not the same as the money I keep in my<br>
>> wallet or my bank account. "Intellectual Property" laws are hacks to<br>
>> encourage people to write neat stuff. Once they start getting<br>
>> _in_the_way_ of creating stuff, they're obviously a Bad Idea.<br>
>> Confusing this putative "Intellectual Property" with real property is<br>
>> a sure way to misunderstand every moral and legal issue associated<br>
>> with creative work.<br>
>><br>
>> The Original Ranter maybe said it best:<br>
>><br>
>> Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best<br>
>> state is but a necessary evil in its worst state an intolerable one;<br>
>> for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a<br>
>> government, which we might expect in a country without government, our<br>
>> calamities is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by<br>
>> which we suffer! Government, like dress, is the badge of lost<br>
>> innocence; the palaces of kings are built on the ruins of the bowers<br>
>> of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform, and<br>
>> irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that not<br>
>> being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his<br>
>> property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this he<br>
>> is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case<br>
>> advises him out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore, security<br>
>> being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably follows<br>
>> that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us,<br>
>> with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to all<br>
>> others.<br>
>><br>
>> (Tom Paine, 1776)<br>
>><br>
>> -- CHS<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jerald Sheets <<a href="mailto:questy@gmail.com">questy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> On Mar 23, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Charles Shapiro wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> And YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!<br>
>>><br>
>>> "Residential Vegetation Management Zone"<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> #!/jerald<br>
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>>><br>
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>>><br>
>>><br>
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