[ale] C Compiler for Linux

Sun Jun 26 10:17:11 EDT 2011

The funny thing about all this vim vs emacs business is that they seem to
have the ability to do similar things. But I think emacs and its single-mode
setup is better. Just my two cents!

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On Jun 26, 2011 9:48 AM, "Jim Kinney" <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hah! You left out the "TIF" (Total Intimidation Factor) of watching
someone
> proficient in vim really use the environment.
>
> I think it was at the point I saw someone split the screen, open a shell,
> reconnect to an open screen session running ssh to a remote machine and
> extract a config file and paste it back in the vim doc they were working
on
> that I just totally dropped my jaw.
>
> The _ONLY_ thing I like about the forced screen format of current laptop
is
> I can easily do a vertical split in vim and see two files side by side,
one
> orig and the other working version.
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Michael Potter <michael at potter.name>
wrote:
>
>> Yet another suggestion for gaining skills in vim:
>> Watch someone who is good at vim use vim.
>>
>> You will not necessarily know what commands they are using, but you
>> will know what you are aiming for in your learning.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > A suggestion on gaining skills in vim:
>> >
>> > don't use anything but vim
>> >
>> > gedit is a good tool for doing cut-n-paste from firefox and the like
when
>> > the goal is to assemble an array of disconnected info to be used in
>> another
>> > format like LOwriter. But for coding, not so good. (and to think I
first
>> > coded in pico and designed to work around the line-length limits of
pico)
>> >
>> > There is also gvim which is vim with an X-windows environment. Works
just
>> > like vim from a shell but also has menus you can use when you can't
>> recall
>> > the commands. Importantly, it shows the cli-version commands to use as
>> the
>> > menu shortcuts so you learn vim.
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Ron Frazier <
>> atllinuxenthinfo at c3energy.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> JD,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for all this info. I'm saving it for the time when I need it.
>> >> Thanks too, for the offer of help. I may take you up on it at some
>> >> point. Until I get more thoroughly into VIM, do you know anything
about
>> >> using gedit for editing?
>> >>
>> >> To the others who've replied to my posting, thank you, whether I
>> >> personally replied to every one or not.
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >>
>> >> Ron
>> >>
>> >> On 6/24/2011 10:33 PM, JD wrote:
>> >> > On 06/24/2011 05:09 PM, Ron Frazier wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi Rich,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Even though we've discussed some of this on the phone, I thought
I'd
>> >> >> share it with the group.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I've been threatening to relearn programming for 15 years, and I'm
>> >> >> hoping to actually carry out the threat. 15 years ago, I programmed
>> in
>> >> >> Clipper, a C like database language. I posted a thread a few months
>> >> >> back on this list talking about developing in C#. However, the
>> people
>> >> >> here convinced me that C++ would be better. I now hope to plow
>> through
>> >> >> the book "Programming Principles and Practice Using C++" by Bjarne
>> >> >> Stroustrup (the inventor of C++). I'm hoping to do cross platform
>> >> >> development. I'm going to use Visual C++ Express on Windows, which
>> is
>> >> >> free. On Linux, I've hit on the GCC compiler, as suggested by
>> others.
>> >> >> I don't know how to use the make system, at this point, but
compiling
>> >> >> small programs with a few source files seems to be very simple. I
>> >> >> believe you can go through this entire book without an IDE. I know
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> the gedit editor in Ubuntu does syntax highlighting and auto
>> indention
>> >> >> for C / C++ files. I'll probably start out using that. I may also
>> try
>> >> >> VIM as I've had just enough experience with VI in the past to be
>> >> >> dangerous. (I basically know the insert, delete line, and write
file
>> >> >> commands.) Obviously, I would have to learn more about VIM for
>> serious
>> >> >> programming, but you can do a lot with just those commands,
although
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> very efficiently. By the way, this book also talks about a cross
>> >> >> platform minimal graphics toolkit called FLTK (faster than light
>> >> >> toolkit, I think) which can be used to put basic windows and
buttons
>> on
>> >> >> the screen, etc. When I graduate to an IDE, I'll probably try
>> NetBeans
>> >> >> or Eclipse. I believe Eclipse can run on Windows too.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > You don't need an IDE and when you are starting out, it complicates
>> and
>> >> > hides things that you really need to know. You need 3 terminals.
>> >> >
>> >> > * Any good syntax highlighting editor in a window (vim, geany, or
>> cough
>> >> > emacs). Geany does a halstat on functions and classes which is very
>> >> > useful without all the bloat that java-based IDEs bring.
>> >> > * in another term, use make
>> >> > * debugger like gdb or xxgdb if you want a GUI. I haven't done
>> >> > debugging in years, so does xxgdb still exist?
>> >> >
>> >> > You also want to use a version control system. These days I like
BZR,
>> >> > but GIT is useful too.
>> >> >
>> >> > Vim is probably the most efficient editor ever created. You just
need
>> to
>> >> > know how to use it. I've used many different editors of all sorts,
>> >> > brief, spf-edit, emacs, vi, Visual C++, geany, notepad++, eclipse
...
>> >> > none of them compare to vim in the hands of a power user. I migrated
>> >> > from emacs to vim when I kept changing into vi-mode to get things
>> done.
>> >> > Anyway, an editor is a very personal decision and you'll need to
pick
>> >> > the best for yourself.
>> >> >
>> >> > You can start with simple bash scripts to build your initial
projects.
>> >> > It isn't like they will be all that large or take more than a few
>> >> > seconds.
>> >> > make ... ah, make. tabs matter. Be certain that your editor isn't
>> >> > "helping you" by replacing tabs with spaces. If that happens, your
>> >> > Makefile will never work. I think gmake is the default make in
Linux,
>> >> > which is good. It has been more than a few years since I wrote any
>> >> > makefiles, but if you provide a sample and ask a question, I can
help.
>> >> > I may even have a makefile template around here on an old CD backup
>> from
>> >> > work ... long ago.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> (PS - If you email me and don't get a quick response, you might want
to
>> >> call on the phone. I get about 300 emails per day from alternate
energy
>> >> mailing lists and such. I don't always see new messages very quickly.)
>> >>
>> >> Ron Frazier
>> >>
>> >> 770-205-9422 (O) Leave a message.
>> >> linuxdude AT c3energy.com
>> >>
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>> > James P. Kinney III
>> >
>> > As long as the general population is passive, apathetic, diverted to
>> > consumerism or hatred of the vulnerable, then the powerful can do as
they
>> > please, and those who survive will be left to contemplate the outcome.
>> > - 2011 Noam Chomsky
>> >
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> James P. Kinney III
>
> As long as the general population is passive, apathetic, diverted to
> consumerism or hatred of the vulnerable, then the powerful can do as they
> please, and those who survive will be left to contemplate the outcome.
> - *2011 Noam Chomsky
>
> http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/
> *
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