[ale] BP knew of problems 11 months before the rig blew - further OT

Tue Jun 1 14:06:58 EDT 2010

On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 13:45 -0400, Jim Kinney wrote:

First things first:  Jim you are a non-name caller!  There, I said it.

Second, in a more serious vain:  When I heard the news I thought this
was an example of corners cut.  I am former Navy, 10years, working the
flight deck of carriers.  Accidents don't just happen, they result from
either previous unknown conditions are from cutting corners.  Ocean
drilling has been going on for some time, so I have to think we were
cutting corners (figurative we).  I am not against business, love
capitalism systems and wish we had one, but it is my gut reaction that
BP is negligent on this and also the Government is to slow to move on
this and they should have been moving much, much faster.  This kind of
thing is what The Government is for.

I do not believe this should curtail further drilling.  We should
perform postmortem to find the root cause and then make the resulting
conclusions codified to prevent the event from happening again.

The post by some one else listing the retired oil guy was informative:
If he is right, this happened due to lack of experience in dealing the
the pressure.  It will still be expensive to fix (the damage of
surrounding shore line and economic effects of Gulf based businesses).
But until we can replace petrol, we need to exploit what we have. 

I am sure Linux can help with all of that!

> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Lightner, Jeff <jlightner at water.com>
> wrote:
>         Don't leave - I was just making a joke with my post earlier
>         today.
>         
>         This list is mainly OT and will be whether you leave or stay.
>         On occasion it gets out of hand.
>         
>         As to the Caldera Linux comment someone made - I actually have
>         a copy of that.  One of the things I liked about it when I
>         used it was that it came bundled with WABI (they'd licensed it
>         from Sun) so I could run most of the Windows 3.11 apps from my
>         other desktop on it without a problem.  When we went to Win 95
>         corporate wide at that job WINE wasn't mature enough to do
>         very many apps yet so I had to get a Windows workstation
>         again.
>         
> 
> While cleaning this weekend I found my boxed Caldera copy from (time
> before math..). Next to it was my old ISA bus 386 board and Matrox
> video card. I have missed neither :-)
> 
> Somewhere in my cruft is my purchased copy of CDE and ApplixWare. Time
> for a dump run...
> 
> 
> ALE is a community. The common bond is Linux. But the real "glue" is
> the community nature of the discussions. It's been a long time since
> things flamed up so bad that people were doing name calling on
> individuals. Let's keep it that way!
> 
> (name calling on companies has not been ruled on by SCOTUS yet - stay
> tuned. I'm sure Steve Jobs will jump on that fight)
> 
> Nothing posted here is required reading and certainly not required
> commenting.
> 
> Some people see Linux as a software tool while others see it as a
> software expression of a philosophy.
> 
> ALE currently (as of 30 seconds ago) has 504 subscribers. That number
> has been fairly steady for quite some time.  So we are doing something
> right. 
> 
> Gmail has a "hide this discussion" feature. I use it 'cause it works
> pretty well.
> 
> One thing I do see is the BP oil leak fiasco has disturbed many people
> on this list. I would not be surprised to see BP sued by all of the
> other offshore drilling companies for the damage BP's screwup did to
> their line of work.
> 
> There's a large group of geology grad students from all over the US
> currently in Montana right now. Most of them do or will work for or
> affliate with the petrochemical or mining companies after graduation.
> They are all sickened by the BP oil leak fiasco. Not a single one sees
> this as a simple oops but as a far reaching, total nightmare oops. I
> think it will directly affect this group as ultimately gas prices will
> rise (a lot) and meeting attendance will drop further.
> 
> So stay, go, digest mode, no matter. Like Linux, choice is good. But
> don't take personally the ramblings on the list as we produce nothing
> but an email stream of sometimes relevant Linux knowledge interspersed
> with other stuff that other people find interesting.
> 
> But next time I will be sure to add the [OT] which I forgot. 
> 
> mea culpa
> 
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> James P. Kinney III
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> Doing pretty well on all 3 pursuits       
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